During Biden’s speech, Nikoui could be heard yelling, “Abbey Gate, Abbey Gate” at approximately 10:15 p.m. ET. Abbey Gate is the entrance to Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, where a single explosive device was detonated by an ISIS-K terrorist. The blast killed 13 U.S. service members and at least 170 Afghans.
Read your own sources before reporting my well sourced and factual comments:
“The deal, and then the Biden administration’s final decision in April 2021 to pull out all US troops by September 2021 without leaving a residual force, were the two critical events that triggered the start of the collapse of the Afghan National Security Forces (ANSF).[8]”
Again, which part of trump’s plan, that Biden merely followed through on to maintain our treatise and agreements trump made with the taliban, during a presidential transition, were Biden’s changes or influence?
The man followed through with an agreement the previous administration made to try and signal unity and consistency that the US always honors their agreements, even if we don’t like it, and that’s Biden’s fault somehow?
Again, Trump had NO PLAN. All he agreed to was to exit and the date.
Everything else was on Biden.
You know that’s not true, right? The other guy replying to you cited sources and references proving that what you said is straight up not true.
And, unfortunately for them, their source directly says the opposite of what they think it does.
You’re 100 wrong here.
Trump literally could not plan the Afghanistan exit because, now follow me on this, he specifically arranged for it to happen in the next Presidential term.
When it came time to leave, Trump wasn’t the commander in chief passing the orders. Biden WAS.
But this is not true and relies on knowing what he was thinking and making assumptions. Everyone else is playing by the rules of what is provably true. You’re just… well…. Assuming things.
It IS true, because all Trump did was agree to leave by what timeline and nothing else. He wasn’t the one saying “Yeah, so if Guam offers to help, make sure you ghost all their phone calls” because that hadn’t happened yet. BIDEN did that.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/guam-was-ready-to-help-relocate-afghans-biden-ghosted/
“Among those willing to help was Governor Lourdes Leon Guerrero of Guam, a US territory in the Western Pacific. On June 12, she sent a letter to Biden. “Guam has stood ready to serve as a safe and secure route for this type of humanitarian effort throughout our history,” she wrote. “And today, it is no different. I assure you that my administration is prepared to assist” should Biden call on Guam to provide safe haven to refugees. She was echoing a plan advocates had been calling for since the spring: the “Guam option,” which would work around immigration bureaucracy by having the military airlift refugees to the island while they waited for their US visas or for another country to take them in. But the White House ghosted Leon Guerrero, too. After sending the June letter, the governor received “no formal written response,” according to a spokesperson.”
Trump had fuck all to do with this because it all happened AFTER he was out of office.
Again, you’re 100% wrong:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
I appreciate your feeling the need to dig in and entrench yourself in your own defense- but you’re just wrong.
Your link is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying!
“The Trump administration in February 2020 negotiated a withdrawal agreement with the Taliban that excluded the Afghan government, freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers and set a date certain of May 1, 2021, for the final withdrawal.”
Trump made the agreement and set the date.
Biden issued the actual orders.
“Biden delayed the May 1 withdrawal date that he inherited. But ultimately his administration pushed ahead with a plan to withdraw by Aug. 31, despite obvious signs that the Taliban wasn’t complying with the agreement and had a stated goal to create an “Islamic government” in Afghanistan after the U.S. left, even if it meant it had to “continue our war to achieve our goal.””
You failed to read it the first time so I will paste it here.
It’s funny that I directly talked about that bit. And of course, you decide to start attacking me with an uncivil slap fight response instead of addressing my statements.
You need to revisit the comment and the bit of Wikipedia that you cut out of the quote below.
they seem confident about things they are wrong about factually, and have certainly moderated based on opinion or accusing others of misinformation where they are the one who is misinformed. but I don’t see it changing.
also your comment and mine are in violation of the rules about discussing moderation. we can whine on !modabuse
If moderation is being used as a tool to manipulate conversation on the thread, I don’t see how people can be expected not to talk about it.
What instance is that group on? I might have it blocked.