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    8 months ago

    Really I just meant the international community of Jewish people. Many of them have strong opinions about matters related to Israel.

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        8 months ago

        I understand your frustration at what I am saying, but I believe you have more influence over the Israeli people than I do as a non-jew. Am I wrong? I just imagine that Israeli jews would take more seriously and be more introspective after receiving critical comments from a fellow Jewish person, who presumably is more in tune with the worries and historical context of the Jewish community than a non Jewish person is.

        My opinion is more easily decried as antisemitic or ignorant and waved away. Yours is not.

        When Christians do horrible things in the name of god, don’t you think being called out by other Christians is going to carry some more weight?

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            8 months ago

            Unfortunately, there’s no commonly accepted distinction between Jews who practice Judaism, Zionists, and ethnic Jews, At least not that I’m aware of. I do recognize that there is a difference, And if I were you, I would be pointing out the difference also.

            I’m sorry, man.It sounds like this is rough for you to be tied to these people by the Jewish label. I hope sometime in this century. All this b******* gets sorted out For everyone’s sake.

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              The difference between Jews and Zionists is the same as between Christians and Christo-Fascists.

              Believers vs. Believers who believe they need to be in control because God picked them and all others are lesser.

              Folks are welcome to believe what they want to believe, it’s when they want to use that belief to restrict other people that it’s a problem.

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                I said commonly accepted. I’m sorry, but those distinctions are lost on the general public.And what we need is the general public to put pressure on politicians. But sure, whatever, Let’s get pissy and fight amongst ourselves. I’m sure that will help.

                And don’t compare me to that just asking questions Tucker Carlson, bullshit. I don’t care where you live. I don’t think it’s a big ask for someone to stand up and say killing civilians is a bad thing.

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                    8 months ago

                    Yes, you should, as a Jew lecture all of Israel. The entire premise of Israel is based on the fact that Jews Have a divine Right and responsibility bestowed upon them by god. You are a Jew and therefore they should take you seriously based on that responsibility. Bestowed upon you by God, even if you don’t believe it, they supposedly do.

                    No I don’t expect you to change the world being one voice.I expect everyone together to raise their voices.And the overwhelming majority of voices together decrying atrocities to work against injustice can make the difference.

                    I can’t say “as a Jew think you guys are f****** morons,” but you can! So calm the f*** down, get over yourself, realize that I’m not accusing you of anything and stop being so f****** defensive and just do your part.