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If his conscience worked he wouldn’t be bending over backwards to illegally supply weapons of war to a country engaged in a genocide.
It’s commonly understood that injecting one’s opinion into a discussion that requires facts, is it poor taste.
However, in the interest of fair play, how about you go ahead and prove that Biden is “bending over backwards” to “illegally” supply weapons of war.
Provide evidence that:
A) He’s “bending over backwards
-and
B) It’s illegal.
Otherwise, admit that you’re here to spread false information. So we can flag your comment as propaganda.
He structured (illegal) the arms deals so that they wouldn’t meet the minimum amount for congressional oversight. That would be the bending over backward, and illegal part.
Could you show us a source that shows he did this?
the current security cooperation ecosystem is overwhelmingly subject to the will and preferences of the executive branch, and the ability of lawmakers to shape arms sales decisions or intercede in transfers they oppose is exceptionally circumscribed. President Biden’s use of the AECA’s emergency provision to transfer weapons to Israel despite grave humanitarian and human rights concerns is emblematic of an enterprise that is run by a narrowing set of stakeholders and without sufficient checks and balances that are key to democratic governance.
Thank you.
It wasn’t illegal. Nor was it bending over backwards. Stop with the misinformation.
Also you’ve provided no evidence to support your opinion.
Do you even know what structuring means lol?
Do you know what illegal means lol?
Let me help you out, friend;
Structuring is when criminals make transactions intentionally splitting larger amounts into a series of smaller sums to avoid scrutiny from law enforcement or compliance obligations. In other words, criminals strategically structure deposits just under the threshold to prevent unwanted attention.
The act itself is illegal.
Was thinking as I read the prior comment, “working handlers.”
I dislike Biden immeasurably less than Trump, and I plan to vote for him in November, yet:
“It is a red line," Biden said, adding, “but I’m never gonna leave Israel. The defense of Israel is still critical.”
That sounds to me like there is, in fact, not a red line.
Drawing a line without any consequences for crossing it is worse than not drawing a line at all (source: my pedagogy prof, many, many moons ago).
I realize that Biden did not, in fact, say that there were not going to be any consequences at all - but the other thing with lines is that the consequences need to be known in advance, and they need to be adhered to. From all I’m hearing in interviews, the US government seems very hesitant to commit to any consequences, and if the slaughter keeps going, it may save Netanyahu’s political career, but seriously bite Biden in the tush come election day.
Didn’t he say something about a 2 state solution being the eventual goal?
Yes, he has been saying this. What is lacking is a plan to get there. Against the opposition of the current Israeli government.
How does the American president develop a plan when one side is refusing to even say if the hostages are alive and acknowledge the existence of the other party?
It’s so weird that people act like Hamas/Palestinians aren’t required to be a part of the process… when they’re the ones who have turned down the deals Egypt and Qatar have brokered.
Hamas is part of the process, they have attended the negotiations.
Fact is Israel is the one who keeps refusing to participate.
Israel won’t negotiate until they get a list of names of living hostages. That’s what’s being negotiated, Hamas won’t provide it. Blaming Israel because Hamas won’t come to the table in any reasonable way is ridiculous.
The Qatar’s have threatened to boot Hamas if they don’t start negotiating in good faith is the news coming out lately. Blaming Israel for not negotiating over nothing is just stupid.
Israel cannot get a list of names until they stop bombing the place and shooting everyone.
How is Hamas meant to go out and find out who’s even survived Israeli bombings if they get killed? Even ambulances with Israeli permission to rescue young children aren’t even safe to travel the streets.
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Israel won’t negotiate
You could’ve stopped there.
Meanwhile Qatar is threatening to boot Hamas because they’re not negotiating in good faith.
Your narrative doesn’t match reality.
Right. The principal parties of such negotiations are the Israeli- and the Palestinian Government, with Hamas in the mix, because they control the Gaza Strip.
Anyone outside those groups can make suggestions, demands, etc., but there are limited means for them to influence such negotiations. The US government can threaten to withhold support (at the risk of being labeled antisemitic or at least anti Israel), but I wouldn’t bet my bottom dollar that it would make a difference in this climate.
I did not mean imply that Biden and his government can make a plan, and expect it to be followed. However, I feel that for his own benefit, Biden has to make a public display of making stronger demands for a resolution of this problem. It may not fix things in the Middle East in the short term, but it will demonstrate that he cares, and that the USA cares.
That’s fair, I would probably agree with most of how you have reframed that. I think the qataris have an outside influence and obviously Iran’s input would mean something.
I think Biden bringing Gantz over for a chat is about as big of a threat to Bibi as you’re going to see though. That’s notable on many levels.
He says a lot of things. He’s supporting Netanyahu’s genocide by selling him weapons and backing him up at the UN.
His support for a 2 state solution consists of words.
The two state solution here seems to be a border with Israel on one side and Egypt on the other.
This is just willful ignorance at this point, the administration has been saying consistently since at least a month after October 7th, that a two state solution was the only answer to permanently solve the crisis.
Contrast what is being said with what is happening. Gazans are being pushed hard against that Egypt border. They are being starved and killed. Where does this end if US watches it continue?
And yet they will do nothing to make it happen, just like every administration before them. At what point will you care that it’s just lip service?
For as good as the SOTU address was, I agree that that one line where he used the term “illegal” came off very wrong when I heard it. I thought it was very out of character for him to use the same language that Republicans use to dehumanize people. I’m glad he at least recognizes that it was wrong.
Ugh, the liberal handwringing over this term is how we make more Republicans. Is that term all that significant in contrast with what the policies will be? No.
This article and, from the sounds of it, Biden’s interview from yesterday both sound like a great refute to trump’s putting down / making fun of Biden for “apologizing” for referring to the man as “an illegal”.
Correct. I’m pretty sure that “illegal” is just the short form of “illegal alien”. And is that the accepted legal term for a foreign national who is in the US illegally, right?
Honestly, all of this language policing just turns the average person right off. I mean, I suppose it wouldn’t be necessary if the Republicans weren’t constantly sneering at people, but still. It is better to reclaim terms the Republicans abuse rather than try to language-police hundreds of millions of people. It is very, very off-putting.
I mean, I get it, we should hold the president to higher standards and be more inclusive overall. All I’m saying is don’t forget that Biden, much like all of us, are products of our environment, and that includes our time. At the end of the day he has been far more cognizant and considerate of the diversity in America than his predacesors and many others currently in government. Look no further than that house inquiry to TikTok and how that representative didn’t know the difference between China and Singapore.
Biden helped write the 94 crime bill despite it being known at the time that social services were the best way to reduce crime. Obviously vote for Biden in Nov but I don’t think he should get the benefit of any doubt.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
President Joe Biden in a wide-ranging interview with MSNBC on Saturday defended his direct criticism of the Supreme Court for its 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health and said that he regrets having referred to an undocumented immigrant as an “illegal.”
In the statement, a campaign spokesperson responded to news about the passage of a fetal personhood bill in the Iowa state House that could have negative implications for patients seeking in vitro fertilization treatments.
Trump’s record speaks for itself: his Supreme Court pick Amy Coney Barrett refused to say if she would oppose criminalizing IVF,” senior campaign spokesperson Lauren Hitt said in the statement.
Biden said Saturday that in his speech to Congress, he was attempting to highlight the differences between rhetoric offered by himself and former President Donald Trump about the border, pledging not to “treat any of these people with disrespect.”
The president added, “I don’t share [Trump’s] view at all,” saying that immigrants “built the country, [are] the reason our economy is growing,” but still, “we have to control the border and more orderly flow.”
Still, Biden was firm that Israel “cannot have 30,000 more Palestinians dead as a consequence of going after [Hamas],” likely citing figures showing that more than 30,000 people in Gaza have been killed, according to the Hamas-run Health Ministry.
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Props to all the liberals who blindly defend him saying it and then being racist on twitter lol. That class of people who just exist to boot-lick people in power are something else.
You will vote for Trump, won’t you?
How did you gather that from Liberals defending bad actions? Sorry If I don’t want to hang around the people claiming to be allies for POC then going on about how Biden is right to call them Illegals. The shoe must fit for some of you guys.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
There is no “good conservative” alive today.
The only people that ready to jump and work with conservatives is usually Biden supporters and his admin. I used to think maybe conservatives were misguided but they aren’t they are smart and know what they are doing to be awful to people.
Most of the Dem establishment are neoliberals. Neoliberals are conservatives. They may occasionally permit progress to appease voters, but neoliberals are conservatives where their personal profit is concerned.
Unfortunately, we don’t have a progressive party in the U.S. We have a conservative party and a more conservative party. We really are using buckets to keep the ship afloat right now, hoping progressives will take over the Democrat party and save the country. It’s a scary place to be.
Centrists don’t like it when people criticize their attempts to get the bigot vote back into the Democratic party.
It’s like saying “Im sorry I used the N word. Anyway, we’ll be bringing back segregated classrooms to protect white kids from the black crisis.”
Not even close. We’re referring to it as “illegal” not “the I word”.
I’m not happy Biden said it either, but what you’re describing is on a completely different level.
drowning kids in barbed wire is quite a level
And very different from the original point we were discussing.
My point is apologizing for words is pointless when the actions are worse. He’s apologizing for how he refers to migrants, but with actions he is making their lives worse, he and congress are pushing for even more aggressive action at the border, where currently its so bad that women and children have been drowning in barbed wire. He should keep calling them illegals because that’s how he’s treating them, that’s why he called them that in the first place.
Yes, they committed a misdemeanor. So when you jaywalk you’re an illegal pedestrian, and when you do a rolling stop at a stop sign you’re an illegal driver.
So what kinds of illegal are you? I’d assume at the very least an illegal pedestrian, likely also an illegal driver. Are you by chance an illegal shopper as well?
Not to mention many (most? Probably the vast majority) simply overstay their visa.
To be honest, I’d rather deport the howler monkeys.
So when you jaywalk you’re an illegal pedestrian
Sure, that’s not a term anybody really uses though.
when you do a rolling stop at a stop sign you’re an illegal driver
No, an illegal driver is a driver without a license. It’s a pretty widely used term. There’s also “illegal doctor” for people who are practicing medicine without a license. Normally when the term is used it’s not for a brief violation of the law, but for a persistent status.
So what kinds of illegal are you?
If you think “illegal pedestrian” is a thing, I’ve been that pretty often, but I’ve never been caught. Was this supposed to be some kind of gotcha?
The point is that an illegal immigrant makes it sound like the human being themselves is illegal. Literally the law they broke is on the same level as jay walking. That’s why people shouldn’t be using the dehumanizing term illegal immigrant.
However, I think you already understood that.
an illegal immigrant makes it sound like the human being themselves is illegal
No it doesn’t, that’s why the word “immigrant” is there, to describe what the illegal thing was. So, an illegal doctor is a doctor who doesn’t have a license. An illegal motorist is someone who is driving a car without a license. Nobody thinks that the human being is “illegal” whatever that means, it’s the immigration that was illegal.
Literally the law they broke is on the same level as jay walking
No, it’s not. Has anybody ever been removed from a country when they’ve been caught jay walking? Even a fine is extremely rare. Being in a country illegally is a more serious offense by a pretty large margin.
However, I think you already understood that.
I understood that some people trot out those terrible arguments, but I don’t think even they actually believe them.
Yes, it does. That’s the whole point of why it’s bad to use the word “illegal” as a noun to describe people. And that’s why people do so. Dehumanization. They’re not an illegal immigrant. They’re “an illegal”. Barely even a person.
That’s the whole point of why it’s bad to use the word “illegal” as a noun
We’re talking about using the word illegal as an adjective: “illegal immigrant”. Immigrant is a noun, illegal is an adjective.
No, we’re talking about using it as a noun. Saying “an illegal”. Not saying “an illegal immigrant”.
Nobody thinks that the human being is “illegal” whatever that means, it’s the immigration that was illegal.
If you honestly think this, you’re not paying attention.
Has anybody ever been removed from a country when they’ve been caught jay walking?
What kind of argument is this? Jay walking and littering are on the same level, has a jay walker ever been forced to go back and pick up their litter? Cmon, you’re smart enough to understand that different crimes can be at the same level, and still have different punishments.
If you honestly think this, you’re not paying attention.
I’m aware that there is a lot of discrimination against immigrants, both illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. But, that discrimination isn’t caused by referring to them by an accurate term.
What kind of argument is this?
It’s a response to the stupid statement “Literally the law they broke is on the same level as jay walking”, which is clearly not true.
has a jay walker ever been forced to go back and pick up their litter
What does litter have to do with jay walking. Do you even understand what jay walking is?
different crimes can be at the same level, and still have different punishments
No… that’s what makes the “level” different. A crime that is punished more severely is at a more severe “level” than one that isn’t. Come on, this isn’t rocket surgery…
Oh lordy.
So the dehumanizing term should be used because it’s not the reason people are dehumanizing the people.
Are you can fan of racial slurs by chance? Because “it’s just an accurate word for black people” is something racists say about certain words as well.
What does litter have to do with jay walking.
What does leaving the country have to do with jay walking?…
I’m simply using your own flawed logic. And you’re proving my point.
How exactly is rectifying the law broken a harsher punishment? How would it make any sense to just charge them a fine and let them be on their way? That’s like saying you should just fine someone littering and then ignore the fact that they are continuing to actively litter.
>No, it’s not. Has anybody ever been removed from a country when they’ve been caught jay walking? Even a fine is extremely rare. Being in a country illegally is a more serious offense by a pretty large margin.
what makes you think anyone is in the country illegally? in america, people are entitle to a trial by a jury of their peers when they are accused of a crime. it looks to me like the accusation is just that, and you’ll forgive me if i don’t believe the government without proof.
what makes you think anyone is in the country illegally?
Do you understand what illegal immigration means?
in america, people are entitle to a trial by a jury of their peers when they are accused of a crime
Illegal street racers are members of the group who race cars illegally on the street. Any person accused of that crime deserves their day in court. But, that doesn’t change the fact that we know illegal street racing happens, and therefore there exist illegal street racers. Similarly, any individual person accused of illegal immigration deserves their day in court, but when referring to the group of people who have illegally immigrated into the US, “illegal immigrants” is a perfectly reasonable label.
Unless you’re saying that you’re not convinced that anybody has ever violated immigration law, so “illegal immigration” is a myth?
>Unless you’re saying that you’re not convinced that anybody has ever violated immigration law, so “illegal immigration” is a myth?
i haven’t seen compelling evidence about it. but i will say i think borders are immoral and i know my duty vis-a-vis immoral laws.
There’s the act of crossing the border illegally, and then there’s the act of being in a country without a valid visa. Obviously when people talk about illegal immigration they’re generally talking about the second case.
But they will happily use statistics which include both groups.
“Illegal driver” and “illegal doctor” are also terms that nobody uses.
They’re not common, but they most definitely are used, and nobody objects because it accurately describes the situation.
Maybe so, but I’ve never heard it.
From the quote in the article he seemed surprised it was an issue…
The statement marks an apparent reversal from what Biden said Friday. While at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, the president was asked, “Do you regret using the word ‘illegal’ to describe immigrants last night, sir?”
“Well, I probably — I don’t re — technically not supposed to be here,” he responded.
Probably because he’s been hanging out with republicans again.
The Democrats told Biden that he needed to show more of the fire that was on display in a closed-door meeting with governors when Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte handed him a letter demanding more action on the southern border. Biden flashed a smile, according to two of the governors standing there.
"State of the Union,” Biden said, teasingly.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/politics/joe-biden-state-of-the-union/index.html
Dude is 81 fucking years old, and all it takes is five minutes of face time with a Republican till he thinks he’s back in “the good old days” with Strom Thurmond and Mitch McConnell
He planned this stupid shit and legitimately thought it was a good move.
He’s completely out of touch with Dem voters
It’s hilarious to me that while he was Obama’s VP, and even up to a few months ago I was saying Biden is as far right as you can get in a democrat, and that he’s filthy with the blood of the drug war. And everyone would downvote me and defend Biden, now here we are.
Corn Pop was
a bad dude an illegala bad dude