For anyone who thinks this would be a good tradeoff, this would be the worst sleep of your life.
I’ve only had sleep paralysis a couple times and it was always because I was stressed about homework/work and my brain kept trying to work through the problems in my sleep. It is a terrible experience. Sleep is about way more than physical rest. Depriving your brain of good sleep will ruin your memory and make functioning during the day exceedingly difficult.
Plus, let’s look at what employers did in response to women entering the workforce. Has average household income doubled? No, pay has stagnated to the point of households needing two incomes to meet expenses. Don’t expect working through your sleep to mean a life of leisure in the day. You’re more likely to see wages fall to the point where everyone needs a day job plus a sleep job.
Lucid dreaming is just becoming aware that you are dreaming. Doesn’t affect sleep quality at all. Now forcing a lucid dream seems like it might make you sleep worse, but I’m sceptical it even works tbh
I don’t think anyone’s saying that the lucid dreaming alone is bad.
It’s exploiting the lucid dream state to force people to work when they should be resting.
Dreams are important for your brain to do it’s brain shit. Integrate memories, work out subconscious things, deal with the what-the-fiyling-fuckishness of being an ape that has an over-developed cognitive realm. Lack of REM makes your mind angry, and can literally kill you. How do you think hijacking such an important process which has evolved over millennia to do menial office work will go? Let’s ask taste receptors and high-fructose corn syrup…
So the thing is
Dreams are supposed to be the mind sorting and copying loosely connected memories for long term storage (because cells don’t have a long shelf life) and therefor utilizing the brain during sleep will in theory cause a person to not perform that regular maintenance and eventually sustain permanent brain damage or loss of memory.
You are not supposed to be aware of dreaming. Dream perception is a side effect of maintenance.
Lucid dreaming isn’t the same as sleep paralysis though. I’ve had several lucid dreams and it’s great sleep - it has to be because it mostly happens during the deepest part of sleeping.
Would I want to work during a lucid dream though - hell no.
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Hence my emphasis on stress being the factor that led to sleep paralysis for me. I’ve had plenty of lucid dreaming that was fine. It’s when my brain gets stuck on a problem that I can’t resolve that it gets out of control and I feel trapped and unable to wake up.
I should have avoided generalized statements when only talking about personal experience, but I am completely convinced that external stimulus meant to keep you working would severely degrade sleep quality.
Ah I follow you. I’ve only had one or maybe two rare instances of sleep paralysys which were frightening. But I have had many many nights of ruminating sleep brought on by severe anxiety so I can definitely identify with what you’re saying.
i say all the time that women entering the workforce is the biggest scam. the only reason its worthwhile is if it allows a woman to support herself, but these days its nearly impossible to be self sufficient
Matrix is affordable housing program.
Murino, Kudrovo is where I am.
I saw the Nick Cage movie Dream Scenario and I’m going to say “fuck no get out of my head” right off the bat.
Between this bullshit and Musk’s brain chips the future is looking pretty bleak.
Also I suggest people check out Made for Love. It’s a show about what happens when a billionaire eccentric weirdo creates a brain chip…
I just watched this yesterday. a weird one, no surprise from Nick.
Spoilers
Was he manipulating the connective consciousness with his desire for attention then anger at rejection? Or was it just random sci Fi with his character at the center?
Edit If the former, I choose to view it as an alternate timeline origin story for Freddy Kruger even though that character was mentioned in the movie
I think he was unintentionally manipulating the connective consciousness. I.e. his unconscious dreams were bridging that gap. And in the beginning he was somehow mass-projecting himself into dreams that reflected his emotional state.
I guess I wish they had shown a bit more exposition on how it started, even if he never knew what he was doing
Humanity loves torturing humanity.
Those who seek power will never be sated, because absolute power is entirely beyond the means of men, yet they find lacking power which they believe they so rightfully deserve to be deeply offensive.
People are always looking for new things to exploit. We’ve made basic human survival so obtainable that much of the population enjoys living in excess. We need to go back and fine tune society so that it properly distributes all our resources. That includes fighting the monsters that gaurd and gate keep the levers of power.
We’ve made basic human survival so obtainable that much of the population enjoys living in excess.
No we haven’t. Most millennials will never be able to afford a house. I know there’s a tendency over time to lower the poverty line and say “well if your heart is beating then you’re living”, but in mediaeval times working wage labour to pay rent would have been seen as destitute poverty.
Can we shut up about houses? 8 billion people can not live in american suburbia. If you talk about your own place to live, which includes apartments, then ignore this. Taking medieval times into your argument is also insane. Most people in medieval times were peasents whose land belonged not to them but to their lord. This ment that not only they were NOT free to go somewhere else but that they had to work and create resources for their landlord. So this was an even worse form of wage labour as your lord decided what he will get from you. Imagine saying those people were better off.
I’m including apartments in my definition of a house. As well as row houses, terrace houses, duplexes, town houses, flats, and etc. I would never want to live in a detached suburban house, that sounds like absolute shit living. So many chores, such high AC bills, and so far away from amenities. Massive pain in the ass imo.
Also the government owns your house in 2024, genius. It’s all on land claimed by the government. They charge taxes, and they can bulldoze your home to build a carpark or an airport or a freeway bypass if they fill out the right paperwork. Yes, mediaeval kings were more oppressive than capitalist governments. But in many cases mediaeval kings were less oppressive than capitalist companies put together with the government.
And a mediaeval master was not a wage labourer. When wage labour became commonplace at the beginning of capitalism, it was a social crisis. People were trapped in a permanent state of social adolescence because they didn’t get to take ownership of their means of production after completing their apprenticeship like in mediaeval times.
Skill issue. They should start training their ki so they can fly and blow up planets.
No wait, CEOs won’t be able to do that because they are weak af. Nevermind. They’ll never reach true power.
Last night I had a dream that my cat had his own pet cat and that both of them were dancing a waltz on the corner of my bed.
In my dream I was very disappointed because I was unable to get a video of it on my phone and when I woke up I was so disappointed that it wasn’t real, but I still checked my phone just in case.
I have no video or even pictures of the dancing cats, And that makes me sad.
I got you friend.
Yoooo you have no clue how many times I whip out my phone in a dream to record and photograph the weird happenings, and then realize “oh wait there’s no way to get the data off this thing” and just look down at my phone with sadness, and eventually wake up with that very same sadness
Didn’t you have ads in the 20th century?
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Yes, the line is that we should ban both ads and wage labour in the waking world too.
Workers of the world, unite! We have nothing to lose but our chains!
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On the blood of our fathers. On the blood of our sons. We swore to uphold the covenant!
Even to our dying breath!
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I love this bit and quote it terribly as often as i can.
If you think about it, that is just idiocracy
If I work in my sleep I get the day off, right?
Right?
You can completely control your dreams and do whatever you can imagine!
Ooh! Can I work extra hours?
“Does it mean I can enjoy life during day?”
“No, it means you will work day AND night.”
“Does it mean I will be paid more?”
“No, you will be paid less.”
Working while sleeping and having the rest of the day for myself seems cool
Yeah, no. This would become “8 hours for working, 8 hours for working while you’re asleep, and 8 hours working because ‘fuck you’ that’s why”
I don’t think much of anything will become of this tbqh.
If it’s even possible to utilise your dreams usefully… surely this will have an impact on sleep quality? You can’t just not rest and expect to get the benefit of rest.
I’ve used lucid dreaming to solve problems in the past. It’s not really that different from trying to solve problems while on mind altering substance. You get a mix of brilliant solitons you’d never think of any other time and complete nonsense.
There’s also a lot you just forget. I don’t know if it would be helpful to recover that stuff or not. It may just feel important or correct without actually being useful in any way.
It doesn’t negatively impact sleeping for enjoyable things like designing. I can’t imagine it would be useful for anything you don’t actually want to do.
But then again, extracting value isn’t really the point of a lot of work. Most of it is about power and control. The work place is basically non-consentual BDSM, so it would make sense for an employer to demand someone works while sleeping just to show that they can exercise power over them.
and having the rest of the day for myself
XD
I mean if I sleep 8 hours and I did my 8 hour shift, no more work
I don’t think that’s how this will work.
Probably won’t work at all tbh, but if I got the option, I’d rather sleep work than awake work is all I’m saying.
I think he’s trying to say, corporations being greedy and all, will end up making us work 16 hours a day instead
No I understood it, that’s what everyone is saying hah.
No, what I actually mean is, I doubt the manufacturer / inventor will claim that the device will work in this way.
Ok, it’s a nice thought.
I’m trying not to be too negative here, but have you seen the innumerable graphs/charts that show the productivity increase vs. wage stagnation, etc.? Hard not to see how this would be abused immediately for corporate -profit$- instead of benefiting the workers.
I’ve seen them, but I was just trying to get away from the constant doom posting for a while and think how nice it’d be to be able to be done with work right away when you wake up.
Lmao I can’t even imagine what crazy surrealist shit I’d come up with in my sleep.
<meeting>
“So, fembywho, I believe you worked last night, any progress you would like to share?”
“Ahem. Yes, uh. cough I searched for the lost spirit of my old acquaintance V from high school who bravely sacrificed herself for the good of humanity, and now is our only help against the alien menace. My companions thought her temple would be the most likely place to search, but I didn’t expect to find anything. Her spirit is hiding somewhere only I can find, but I haven’t been able to access that knowledge. I have seen visions and flown across many lands.”
“Excellent progress. Keep us informed.”
did nobody learn from hypnospace outlaw?
Glad I wasn’t the only one…
Better get your beefbrain shield now
That’s where I learned we should never allow boomers on the internet
It’s another “don’t create the Torment Nexus” situation again…
Oh man.
We should all act like these totally work and they’re a huge boon to productivity.
Normalize mid-day office naps! PAID naps!
They literally stole this from Hypnospace Outlaw
Can’t wait until they make beefbrain real
I’m very glad I’m not the only one here to have thought this 😅
This is so weird and not for the obvious reasons. We as a general people (worldwide) are more productive then ever and if anything there is more production then the market can handle. Even by the most cut throat thinking this is pointless. Who is going to buy the products produced by the sleep slaves?
