The new AMD vulnerability discovered by @taviso and his team makes all AMD zen2 processors vulnerable. Also known has Zenbleed.

I compiled the demo code and there we go, I can see lot of information getting leaked from the memory. Not great, it’s the AMD variant of the meltdown/spectre bug basically. It uses however an “optimization” operator (cvtsi2sd) to trigger the vulnerability in the CPU allowing to read 30kb/core/second of data. No special permissions required. Works on all platforms, all operating systems, VM or docker, it doesn’t matter…

This vulnerability was found using fuzzing, which is an automated way of injecting wrong input values and see when or if something breaks or not.

Currently only EPYC processors have received a fix. All other AMD Zen 2 processors are still fully vulnerable. There are also no BIOS firmware updates yet. I doubt wherever this premature public release from AMD was intentional or not…

More info: https://lock.cmpxchg8b.com/zenbleed.html

  • themoonisacheese
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    1 year ago

    High severity is for remote execution or remote information gathering.

    Currently to exploit this you need someone to run your software right on their machine, and if they’re doing that chances are you may trick them into simply running whatever you want as admin. The technique also is very findable by antivirus solutions, with no real avenue to obfuscate it.

    Medium fits well for an exploit that needs to run locally and may or may not expose secrets. Even if you run it in a VM, you still need access to other VMs or the hypervisor through other means in order to do something with stolen secrets.

    • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgOPM
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      1 year ago

      But what about hosting GitLab/GitHub/Codeberg runners? Even when using Docker. That might still allow hackers to run software on the machine, and since this vulnerability doesn’t require any specific permissions anybody can take advantage of this vulnerability.

      • themoonisacheese
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        1 year ago

        How many of those run on zen2 CPUs? All of github’s are in azure which uses Intel, gitlab AFAIK runs on AWS, and I don’t know what codeberg uses bug I’m willing to be they don’t self-host either. If they do, and they use zen2, they’re probably using EPYC. Honestly this is a nasty bug but it isn’t as bad as you’re making it out to be.

          • themoonisacheese
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            1 year ago

            Does it? Who are you hosting gitlab runners for on consumer hardware?

            If this affects you in more than a “well, better be careful about what I download” way, either you’re significantly outside of the intended use case for your hardware or you are blowing this way out of proportion.

            • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgOPM
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              1 year ago

              So you are basically saying, you should not use consumer hardware to create a server yourself. Instead you need to spent 1000’s of dollars for a EYPC processor and very expensive motherboard and memory. Just because…

              The internet is already broken enough. I believe in decentralizing the WWW by enabling users to create their own server. Moving all to Amazon cloud isn’t the future I want to see either. Forcing users to spent 1000 or 10.000 of dollars for a server is definitely not helping either.

              • themoonisacheese
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                1 year ago

                What I’m saying is that if you are enabling unvetted users to run things on your hardware, for free, you probably shouldn’t be doing it on consumer hardware in the first place.

                If the users are paying, doubly so.

                If the users are vetted but free, then this is a “your friends are hacking you” problem.

                There is nothing wrong with using consumer hardware to host servers. I’m doing it right this moment with great success. What I’m saying is that if you have public gitlab runners, then you’re just hosting a Monero mining rig for randoms in the first place.

                • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgOPM
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                  1 year ago

                  Well. That depends on the security. Only docker containers are allowed. Docker containers are remapped to non root users. No extra privileged are possible either.

                  We only now have Zenbleed to deal with. And amd didn’t release anything yet for consumer cpus.

                  • themoonisacheese
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                    1 year ago

                    The latest microcode-amd packages from your favorite distro should enable the chicken bit for the vulnerable instructions. Of course, it will slow down speculative execution for certain workloads, but it should stop the bug from being exploitable.

                    Again, running public compute services on consumer hardware is not a use-case that makes that much sense, but appently you’re dead set.