• spujb@lemmy.cafe
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      ·
      9 months ago

      ugh i don’t really like this comment :(

      a) that’s a pesticide sprayer, not a gun

      b) the cure to violent transphobia for sure is violence.

      but the cure to transphobia, in general?

      idk. i have loved ones who used to be worse and gradually came around just by living and knowing trans people? what if they got shot 25 years ago?

      no hate to you as a commenter bc it seems you are just repeating a common phrase, but i don’t like how this comment moves the narrative so far beyond. idk, i don’t really like this comment but i don’t want to invalidate the anger, fear and genuine need for change that is behind it. i’m sorry if my perspective is ignorant.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    38
    ·
    edit-2
    9 months ago

    Fascism will exterminate itself. It’s an auto-cannibalistic ideology.

    To the Nazi mind, society is like the rings on a tree with the “pure” and “deserving” being at the core. The outer most layer will always be the “other” and the “enemy”. So as each enemy is defeated, the field narrows until the end where they’d be two Nazis left trying to kill each other.

    Viewed in this light, anti-Fascist skull crushing is benevolent.

    • puchaczyk@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      27
      ·
      9 months ago

      I don’t disagree with you, but I think what you wrote only applies to fascism in a vacuum or a very late stage of fascism where all the outsiders were eliminated. Basicaly, if we’re at the point where fascists started devouring themself it’s already game over, because everything else is destroyed. And I don’t like the sentence “Fascism will exterminate itself” because it implies all we need to do is wait (even though I don’t think you mean that). Fascism needs a helping hand to achieve it’s end goal (exterminating itself; please, don’t ban me mods lol).

    • Kit Sorens@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      9 months ago

      That mentality is surely broader than fascism itself. You see it in any hypernationalist state. Rome had “the barbarians.” The British Empire had “the savages.” Nazi Germany had “the jews.” There is always an “other” when the state needs it. Unless you’re painting a broader form of fascism, perhaps.

  • Norgur@fedia.io
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    31
    ·
    9 months ago

    Well… the gruesome thing is: It will exterminate itself in the same way the plague exterminated itself in Europe. Eventually, all the fascism will lead to a myriad of wars and genocides in which fascism will eventually die. Along billions of people.

    • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      36
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

      The only thing I can come up with is you’re defending people’s personal freedom to be fascists?

        • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          28
          ·
          9 months ago

          If your opposed to calls to violence against those that are trying to take away trans rights that’s fine. I’m just curious about calling authoritarianism.

          In calling for violence against fascists…who’s authority are we upholding?

          • rhabarba@feddit.de
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            9 months ago

            Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

            • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              36
              ·
              edit-2
              9 months ago

              Wait… I’m sorry I have to respond again because this really just hit me. Did you really use GERMANY as an example of why you SHOULD NOT stand up to facisim with violence? GERMANY???

              How did letting the facisim play out for ya there champ?

            • DessertStorms@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              18
              ·
              9 months ago

              I wouldn’t be so proudly proclaiming “I’m German” as if that gives you automatic and universal knowledge, or authority, if you’d like, on, well, anything, if I were you, instead I’d get out of the way, humble myself, and go study some history.

              “Only one thing could have stopped our movement – if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement.” -Adolf Hitler

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                9 months ago

                having interacted with an austrian, whom i refer to as german on the regular (it’s an ongoing joke) It’s almost like that one time that one thing happened is a part of every german/austrias personality now. That explicit kind of speech is so heavily regulated that even merely mentioning it i’ve been yelled at before.

                It’s kind of like living somewhere where a mass shooting has happened, that you were tangentially related to. Nobody talks about it. But also everybody knows about it.

              • Norgur@fedia.io
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                9 months ago

                Oi, can you perhaps not ask for humility and then condescendingly lecture other people about the history of their Nations? Thanks.

                I bet you know about the armed conflicts in the streets of Germany before the Nazis were elected into power and the role of the SA, right? And you know that what’s was implied here was that the Weimarer Republik tried to “reign in” the Nazis instead of opposing them openly, especially the catholic Zentrum party. And you know that behind the war-like rhetoric of Hitler there is usually a kernel of political nature, and his warmongering style is identical if he talks about real armed conflict or political stuff, right?

                You know all that so you can lecture Germans on German history, right?.. Right?

                Stepping out of the way is the exact opposite of what should be done. This may never happen ever again.

            • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              13
              ·
              9 months ago

              Sure. That’s fine. I’m questioning how you call that authoritism. Would you call the black panthers this? After all they certainly did some violent things during the civil rights movements.

              What about the IRA?

            • FfaerieOxide@kbin.social
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              9
              ·
              9 months ago

              Enforcing your preferred kind of politics with guns sounds like a bad idea. I’m German, we did that a few times in our history.

              Yeah, and people with guns fucking stopped you.

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              9 months ago

              it’s a paradox by nature, either you let them take rule, and then you get a german history moment, or you forcibly oust them, which is also kind of tangential to said german history moment.

              I suppose it’s a question of which you value more, and how many of your people are ok with it.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        in essence, that statement essentially says “you can listen to authority, and have to follow them, however, in exchange for that trade off, you no longer have the personal freedom of not doing that”

    • Norgur@fedia.io
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      ·
      9 months ago

      Have tolerant people to be tolerant towards the intolerant? This question has claimed the coherence of so many philosopher’s brains. Poor souls.

      • thepaperpilot@incremental.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        23
        ·
        9 months ago

        The “paradox of tolerance” has never legitimately stumped anyone. The initial act of intolerance broke the social contract, thus removing their right to tolerance themselves.

      • anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        9 months ago

        If only someone had taught them about social contracts, which only conditionally requires us to tolerate people so long as they tolerate us.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        9 months ago

        this is my favorite philosophical fact. You can only have a defined definition if that definition excludes things, otherwise it is not appropriately defined. And therefore broad.