• Semjaza@lemmynsfw.comOP
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    8 months ago

    You’re claiming that economic systems have no impact on social issues?

    And you’re sure that a position of global dominance due to sitting atop the global neo-colonial system has nothing to do with it?

    Does India count as a Capitalist Democracy for this? What about Malaysia, or Indonesia, or Nigeria, or Kenya?

    Edit: Poland, Romania, Italy?

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        8 months ago

        OK, so we’re calling 6 or 7 the cut off then? Or is the status of democracy limited to Scandinavia and New Zealand?

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            8 months ago

            We agree on that.

            Can you see how culture correlates much better with LGBT rights than how high a nation gets on that democracy index, though?

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              I do not know how to measure culture, but the democracy index strongly correlates with LGBT rights. This is why I stated that democratic capitalism is one of the reasons. More over democratic capitalism does not mean capitalism with democratic elections. There should be democratic culture across the population, respect for minorities, for example, democratic institutions, such as independent courts and so on. Otherwise majority can just vote for the dictator into power with honest democratic elections. That would not be democracy, but the dictatorship of majority.

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                8 months ago

                So the reason that non-binary and transgender indivuals in India under the British empire lost rights and social standing was because the British Empire was less democratic than Mughal India and the remaining princely states?

                That and the modern situation of non democratic PRC being about as LGBT friendly as much more democratic South Korea, and both much less than Singapore (less democratic than South Korea) makes that strong correlation very suspect once you look closely.

                As for culture, I’d suggest breaking the map up into various culture groups as anthropologist have done, and see if that correlates to LGBT rights more.

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                  8 months ago

                  I do not claim that democratic capitalism is the only reason. But is is a contributor.

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                    8 months ago

                    Or possibly they both share a same reason, hence the correlation (but which does not imply causation, which is why noticing where correlation does not match implies a lack of causation).