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        He also wanted me to tell you that Snowden might be affiliated with Russian government and spread the propaganda

        No…you mean the guy who stole state secrets and fled to Russia where he was welcomed with open arms might actually be a tool of the Russian propaganda machine to further divide Americans and destabilize our society?

        That can’t be. That’s impossible.

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          Couldn’t be that America had a vested interest in surveillance after 9/11 and overstepped its bounds several times over since then. That’s impossible.

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            Why can’t both suck?

            Like, yeah, Americas domestic surveillance practices were wildly out of line.

            That doesn’t make Snowden a saint. What he did benefits Putin far more than it benefits any American and both of them are well aware of that.

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              Calling out civil rights abuses “benefited the soviets” doesn’t mean that it didn’t need to be done.

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                Because his whole thing is destabilizing the West. What better way to do that than to destroy whatever trust was left in the establishment?

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                    What has changed because of him? Anything that benefits America or Americans?

                    No. Not a damn thing has changed for us. Meanwhile Putin has a nice little puppet to tweet out divisive and intentionally misleading shit like this and people like you mop it right up. Because he stuck it to the man. The same man that Putin loves sticking it to. “The enemy of my enemy”.

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      For a broader view

      SPY is S&P500 for those who don’t know

      2023

      2022

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        Hmm, the real question is whether this is consistent year over year… beating the S&P500 one year doesn’t really indicate anything.

        Also there are 535 people in the US congress but only like 30 on these two lists… and not the same 30 both years. How many lost money in those same years?

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          Her husband has done heavy investment in tech stocks for years. 2022 wasn’t great for tech which shows in that result and SPY.

          AI craze since has been ridiculous though. Last I read Pelosi has a bunch of Nvidia. Which alone has gone up a stupid amount since early 2023.

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      Could be all R, could be all D. One thing for certain, they’re all scumbags, S.

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        Oh so now I can say “both sides?” I thought that was anathema around here.

        I’m tired of us not criticizing the democrats for doing the same shit as the republicans because the republicans are worse. “Both sides” never meant both sides are equal, it means both sides are above the “shitty” threshold, even if varying degrees, and many of the problems are bipartisan, shit needs to change all around.

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          I haven’t met anyone not looking for accountability for D’s on the left. I only hear “Good, if theyre guilty lock them up too”.

          “Both sides” is shorthand for “both sides are the same” at least to me. It’s the false equivalency that is the problem – which you’re not doing to be clear.

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            I definitely have seen a lot of people accusing people of both sidesing for any criticism of dems.