• DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Would it be a poor professional choice to send this to my bosses boss who’s current raison d’etre is getting our product on the cloud? I ask because I get the alert emails when we go over budget. And we always go over budget.

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      8 months ago

      Make another meme, maybe like that “days without an accident” counter…. Except it’s months without going over cloud budget

      Then tell him that you made it, and that it’s true.

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    Cloud has some great features. Important to know what they are. Also important to know if you need those features and what the cheapest and best ways to get them are.

    I love the meme. Good job.

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    The IT managers got tired of being blamed for all server outages and want to shift some of those responsibilities. Now when there’s an outage, they can say “it’s not us, it’s AWS because they suspend our account for non-payment”.

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      Plus you need to hire less people to manage all services yourself. You can also avoid vendor lock in if you have z proper policy, but most managers don’t think long-term or even care. I started not caring about costs much anymore, it’s not a me problem, it’s a manager problem. I just do enough effort to choose the right setup

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        Nah. No changes to labor costs, except they might have gone up slightly since now our offshore teams are Cloud Support and can charge 1.50/hr more.

        No processes go any faster and some are arguably slower

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      And you can even abuse AWS support by trying to get them to troubleshoot your code for you.

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    I’m a big fan of proxmox

    I going find it hilarious that a small amount of cloud costs the same as a hugely resourced hyper converged proxmox private cloud

    I’m currently using both but proxmox is the powerhouse

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      Honestly I was told when I was younger it was often cheaper and easier to run things in the cloud, doesn’t really seem like that’s true anymore if it ever was

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        Most of the time, management is looking for the next “silver bullet” that is going to magically solve all their problems. They will latch onto the latest marketing gimmick and run with it despite having no understanding of how the “silver bullet” works or the impact it will have on their business. A decade and a half ago it was “the cloud”. Now It’s “AI”.

        Are there advantages to “hosted solutions” AKA “the cloud” AKA renting someone else’s data center? Sure there are. For example, It’s great for small businesses who need enterprise grade technology but can’t afford their own data center. Cloud providers also offer services and scale that would be very difficult and costly to build out in your own data center(s).

        But is it cheaper all the time? The answer to that is a definite “No”. Like most other business decisions it’s situational and there are a lot of facets that impact the cost. In my experience, one downside to hosted solutions is that it’s very easy to make architectural errors that have high costs and no one notices until accounting is on the phone wanting to know why the Azure bill doubled over the last month and “Whoops!” Is not really a satisfactory answer.

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          Oh no, there’s no shortcut around actually thinking! That means you have to properly understand your own job!

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        Like a lot of markets big companies engage with, cloud services were operated at near loss levels for years. It’s only when they had a sufficiently vendor locked and invested user base that they started cranking the costs, especially in areas you wouldn’t otherwise notice. There’s a reason everything is micro billed, and it’s not to make it easier to lower costs on your end.

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        They push the idea of handing no CapEx, only OpEx! Think of the savings! They then try to make things look cheap like it’s super cheap.

        I was doing a test in Azure and forgot to delete the insurance… I’m just a could of days… $30. But my crappy repurposed gaming PC too home server… I can do whatever I want when I want and never have to consider cost.

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      Yup or colo is full and won’t accept any more changes. So one has to wait until someone else gives up space and then a fire sale on the newly freed space.

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    Ran into this. Was constantly denied time to properly load test and configure things. So it all went in with default values and high resources. Then they got the bill, throttled everything down, and then normal compute processing was missing SLAs measured in half-days.

    But look on the bright side. Every minute of the day programmers were typing, creating value, instead of wasting company money reading or thinking.

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    I’d you just try to “lift and shift” to the cloud instead of engineering a solution that fits your needs, then you won’t find cost savings or risk reduction (and like you mentioned in the meme, vendor lock in can even increase risk) which makes it pointless, it does have its place but it’s often a ham fisted and half baked bill of goods sold to the bean counters instead of the infrastructure and dev teams and is worse in the long run

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    Honestly, the major issue is that they don’t pay us enough for us to stay longer than 2-3 years. When I was brought onto my job, I was having the hardest time navigating the home grown primitive system they custom built. The people who created this system were no longer working at the company. I was left trying to figure out a system that was custom built, semi functional and poorly maintained using an old confluence and Google doc.

    I left the company after 3 years leaving in place of my own custom code, and my own sets of instructions for the next sap that has to try and figure it out.

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      “Animals with pale skin and little fur are most at-risk for sunburns. A few examples are pigs, rhinos, and elephants.” Source

      This is why you are elephants cover their backs in mud, it acts as a sunscreen and also helps to keep them cool.

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        Huh, TIL! Also interesting about hippo sweat and giraffe tongues.

        Off to found an elephant parasol charity. /s

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      Elephants do throw loose dirt on themselves. It was either to help reduce the sun rays, or to help keep mosquitoes off - sorry I can’t remember.