There are a few subreddits I check out from time to time because Lemmy doesn’t have the volume of users required to keep those niche conversations active.

Wow, what a pain! There’s so much hostility and byzantine rules. It’s just not worth it.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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    Democrats aren’t backed into a corner. All they need is a strong stand for workers rights, issues facing the middle class, and they’d win a ton of supporters. But that would put them at odds with the almighty corporations that line their campaign coffers, so they will not. Instead they focus on identity politics, and other polarizing issues to keep them at odds with the conservatives. To me it often seems that they’re the good cops in the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine, and ultimately they want the same thing as the Republicans, to retain their own power at all costs, and hopefully get rich doing it. If not, why haven’t they reversed Trump’s corporate tax cut? Why haven’t they proposed legislation to codify abortion rights? Whether they could get it passed or not is a whole other conversation, but they haven’t even presented anything. They’ve just let the Republicans get all sorts of changes pushed through and then shrugged their shoulders and said “identity matters”. Yeah no shit, but that’s not going to fix America. This is where I usually run up against protest from serious Democrats because they believe in their party, and I’m definitely losing faith. Maybe I’m seeing what truly is, or maybe I’m falling victim to all of that propaganda we talked about. Anyways, like you said, it’s definitely starting to feel like one of those sci-fi dystopias where the corpos run the country, and wield the government against their enemies like a weapon. I still believe in the United States, and I don’t think we’re cooked yet, but we have a lot of work in front of us.

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      We seem to have this fucked-up system where the two parties literally WANT to take turns - Republicans (until Trump came along) back themselves into a corner wrt e.g. Climate Change, then depend on hope that a Democrat will get elected and actually take care of it, then they will still “blame” them for all that “hippy stuff”; and then Democrats want to lower taxes on the wealthy so depend on hope that a Republican will get elected and make that happen.

      An example is the border crisis: there are real issues there, that both side want to do something about, yet both sides are also leaning so heavily into politicking that they cannot manage to accomplish anything at all. It even/especially got so bad that they did finally manage to do something, almost, before Trump made some phone calls and shut it all down.

      Just like the stock market, the appearance of things somehow matters more to them than reality. “Game theory” predicts that you simply cannot stamp out such a type of “cheating”/“gaming the system” set of behaviors - it’s literally impossible, and can even work to the favor of the overall system in odd ways (like viruses infect cells, which ngl is bad for the individual cell, but as they do they can bring along genes that trigger behaviors inside of them, which exceedingly rarely but in a population rather than individual sense can save the whole damn species from an extinction-level event, especially for bacteria where the number of cells and infection events are both exceedingly large and they already exist more in a population rather than individualistic mode to begin with) - but such modelling also predicts (iirc) that when the threshold is reached that not only a few people cheat it but it BECOMES the system, then it all begins to break down.

      At that point, people either need to move on to another new system that has not yet been fucked up, or else the whole thing crashes down. Either way involves a lot of pain.

      For myself, I have lost faith in democracy, as it seems most people have alongside of me. That is not to say that we should ignore our responsibilities, it is just that I don’t think they will counter these trends towards evil behaviors of greed and exploitation. I used to hold out great hope, but now I think that was naive, wishful thinking. But the only thing to do is move forward, and we’ll see how it plays out I suppose. Maybe this is one of those things where like “it always seems darkest right before the dawn”?

      On the other hand, what exactly are the actions that we (liberals) are doing to counter the effects of both globalization and automation? (links to any resources explaining that would be welcomed, though not your responsibility ofc - I will find them eventually!) We did manage to raise the minimum wage - that’s excellent - but for the most part while the other side seems greedy, we seem lazy.

      Case in point: abortion. While the overturning of Roe v. Wade is solely within the purview of the Supreme Court, why don’t more states have more laws on the books or in the works to add protections in at the state level, as conservatives are doing on the other side of that issue? Diligence wins the day, regardless of who does it (as the phrase goes: you reap what you sow) and yeah I know about slow & steady wins the race but… are we merely slow, or are we living in a fantasy dreamland where somehow everything will magically fix itself without any effort on our parts? People are dying over there, and while we must allow others to live however they choose, why not enshrine some protections for “ourselves”? THAT much at least, is not something that can be adequately explained (imho) as “it is the Republicans fault” - wouldn’t that lie solely within our own purview?

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.world
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        I still have faith in democracy, but I’m starting to understand why the forefathers went with a representative democracy, and not a direct one. This thread is getting so compressed from all the nesting that it’s getting really difficult to read, only a couple of words per line now. So, I’m going to say farewell, and it was really nice talking with you. Lets both keep our minds and eyes open, and be diligent about not being manipulated by propaganda. Take care!

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          That’s… messed up. Fwiw, I am using the webpage UI - not an app - and it shows up perfectly for me. But yes, it has been enjoyable to discuss more deeply with you than is usual on a social media site - this is the power of Lemmy!:-)