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I had such a hard time explaining to someone today that there is no universal set of Lemmy rules/politics and you can run your own instance with literally 0 rules
people have forgotten that things can exist outside of the few billionaire/trillionaire closed source walled gardens they’ve become so reliant on
Yeah, I think that’s great. I think it’s awesome that something like Lemmygrad can exist, while also a community criticizing Lemmygrad (there are several) all on the same platform, and without any real central control.
If you don’t want to see certain content, you can block it and move on, while getting the benefits of federation.
I joined communities from a half dozen instances, and I’ll probably join communities from even more as I get better at finding communities.
The communities trying to pillarize the entire fediverse over calling lemmygrad hate speech are, however, not a great thing. Undermining the interconnectedness of the platform at scale by agitating on other platforms that they blacklist or be blacklisted under false pretenses may as well be precision-engineered to negate what is useful about the platform.
liberals crave control over the narrative, which is what they enjoyed at reddit with the site admins putting their thumbs on the scales for their opinions
But isn’t that the benefit of the platform? If you want a safe space, you can block what you don’t like. If you want more openness, you can have that too. And if a community you used to engage with goes dark, you still have the rest of the communities.
I’m on an instance blocked by beehaw, so I don’t see new posts, but I can still go directly to the instance in read only mode to see that content. Maybe they’ll block that too at some point, but surely that would hurt their userbase. I can still engage with a lot of other people, so I just turn my attention elsewhere.
That’s certainly better than something like Reddit, no? On Reddit, if a community goes dark, there’s nothing you can do to see the old content aside from looking up archive.org. On lemmy, you still have that old content, you just don’t see new stuff.
This is extremely well written. Anyone that supports and wants to see this platform thrive should share this in response to the people spreading nonsense with the goal of seeing it fail and upholding the corporate status quo.
Thank you and @dessalines and other contributors for your effort. It must be really overwhelming to suddenly have so many new people using lemmy. Being overloaded is to be expected in these circumstances. Please make sure that you don’t overwork yourselves now and set limits on how much work you do.
God I appreciate these dudes. I don’t envy them one bit right now…
Yeah, very difficult situation, I truly hope they’ll find the help they need.
Well, I’m lending a hand. I have some patches in production already, and I’ve only been contributing for a week or so.
If you have the means, please help out. There are tons of bugs, important features, etc, and it’s a pretty stable base, so it’s a good time to jump in.
Oh I’d love to do more but I’m not a developer :(
Only things I can do is donating and helping other people by answering questions (if I know the answers ofc, still learning myself).
Well, that’s super helpful by itself!
There are a couple other things you may be about to do as well, such as:
- translations - if you speak another language; I’m happy to help guide
- filing bugs/commenting on bugs on GitHub with information on how to reproduce
But honestly, just engaging with people here is super helpful.
Thanks for the advice!!
I don’t have a github account yet (only “lurked” there so far) but I’m going to create one in case I find something to contribute for bugs.
As for language, yeah English is not my first language, there’s a server dedicated to people from my country, no idea if they’re already contributing to localization but I’ll go check.
Well, if you get around to it, here’s where the translations are:
https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa/tree/main/app/src/main/res/values
That directory has the English terms (look at strings.xml), and the one above has directories for each language. If your language doesn’t exist there, you can make a new directory for it.
If you don’t want to make a GitHub account or don’t feel comfortable contributing changes, you can always leave a post here with your translations and someone will get it contributed.
@sugar_in_your_tea About “good time to jump in”: the small size of the lemmy dev community gives you a chance to shift off Microsoft to a community git forge e.g. #Codeberg [1] that aims at forge federation [2] *before* there’s too much #TyrannyOfConvenience inertia. Mastodon devs are reluctant to even *discuss* giving up Microsoft [3].
@ulu_mulu @lemmy #GiveUpGitHub #forgefed #forgejo https://giveupgithub.org
[1] https://codeberg.org
[2] https://forgefed.org
[3] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/22572Uh reading your third link, no they are not reluctant to discuss it. That whole discussion sadly was about how the original “proposal” was framed, and I have to agree with that person that it wasn’t “proposed” but more stated as a demand.
Well, I don’t get to make that decision. If the maintainers choose to do that, I’ll follow, but there’s a good chance that a lot of the other contributors won’t. For something in rapid development with a lot of community contributions, you want that barrier of entry to be as low as possible.
So if it was up to me (and it’s not), I would say no. I would be open to an official mirror somewhere else, and perhaps moving to a separate feature/bug tracking system (esp. if it’s easier for the community to report bugs), which imo is the biggest barrier to moving the repo.
I guess I’m not particularly worried about it since the project is FOSS and the difficulty in switching is pretty low.
@sugar_in_your_tea As a non-lemmy-dev, I don’t get to participate in that decision either, no matter how strong I think the arguments are.
I’m not convinced that the difficulty in switching is low; as you say, bug/issue tracking is a big barrier, but other features are part of the #EEE strategy [4], and switching later when MS upsets the community like Musk or Huffman will be difficult.
An official mirror would be a good start to make a future move easier.
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2c_extend%2c_and_extinguish
There are mirrors of the Lemmy code on Gitea and Gitlab. They are linked in the readme. We also hope to migrate development to Gitea once federation is implemented.
We also hope to migrate development to Gitea once federation is implemented.
That is awesome to hear! Lemmy federating with the code forge it’s hosted on sounds awesome!
It’s really not that difficult. The things that need to be migrated are:
- links to repository - tedious, but the GH repo could be left up with links to the new repo and code mirroring could be configured; I’ve seen that done pretty often, and some projects go the opposite route (e.g. the Linux kernel has a GitHub mirror for… reasons)
- issues - the GitHub CLI and API both offer a programmatic way to pull down issues, so those can be migrated with a script to whatever the new solution is; I could whip something up in an afternoon if needed
- actual code hosting - just change remotes and push; this is like a 5-min thing
- CI - the current CI situation is really simple and easy to port
And, that’s it. If needed, the whole process could be done in a couple days.
So I don’t see any kind of urgency here.
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yeah, the 2014 exodus to voat was all pissed off nazis, but now the nerds are pissed off so I think you’re right
I was recently sharing Lemmy to some people and how the entire Reddit blackout is stupid considering everything the platform has done in the past and the mindset of the CEO.
Someone brought up Voat and they were lamenting how that failed, and I decided to check out the WayBack Machine captures for it, and Christ, nothing but antisemitism and racism.
OH BOY VOAT
Yeah. Free speech absolutism does not attract a good crowd, and once you attract that crowd you will not attract any other crowd because the content output they produce is repellant to any normal person.
I spent a bunch of time on Voat as a kid, thinking I could be a free-thinking free speech absolutist who simply disagreed with the things other said around there.
What I observed is a crowd of people of an extreme ideology, who would try and one-up one another with further extremes, moving the overton window within the platform further to the extreme. As it continued, some would hit their breaking point and simply leave due to the toxicity, while others opted to continue the “who can be more offensive” game. The userbase, as it was, was doomed to forever become worse and worse, and smaller and smaller.
I believe that in the later years of Voat, the actually closed down the public-facing site and user registrations. I’m not sure what the Voat devs thought, but it’s pretty clear it didn’t go the way they’d expected as they had to pretty much hide their users from the greater internet.
This is discussed in this video about creating clones of existing platforms.
I went to VOAT in 2020 just to check it out. I kept clicking the random page and I shit you not it cycled through about 20 Qanon/maga subreddits and one random bird watching community.
Can confirm, am a nerd and I already have fixes go to production, and I’ve only been on lemmy for a week or so.
I’m a nerd and I’m here because Reddit has forsaken the nerds and is treating its user base like cattle to be herded. I guess most people want to be herded. That’s fine for them, but I want something more, where we make our place for ourselves, to our own liking. Not so that some investors can get richer. I suspect many of you are here for similar reasons.
I would like to contribute, and have the skills to, but unfortunately no time at the moment. For now I am mostly watching to see how things develop, but sooner or later I may just jump in if I find things are moving too slow.
It’s upsetting to see the shit-talking because I imagine reading that nonsense is emotionally draining, especially when you’re already stressed out with a billion things to do. I’ve seen you guys active in the lemmy community for years and you’ve always been wonderful. I’m sure I’m not the only one who appreciates the work you two have put in and are currently putting in. I’m really happy that your project is starting to catch on.
Honestly we’re all adults here and we all know how the Internet works. Best to not feed the trolls and ignore them. The more attention you give the more it gives the appearances that their rhetoric has validity. Just move on and let’s all focus on making a better fediverse for all
As far as trolls on lemmy go, it’s probably best to report them in addition
Agreed! I love the laid back feel of this community and not all the hostility you see everywhere else. With growth comes change though, so I hope the spirit of this group endures.
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For the past three years dessalines and I have been funded to work on Lemmy full-time by generous support from the NLnet foundation. These donations are paid out when we implement certain new features. But now we are busy answering questions, reviewing pull requests and urgentlyfixing problems. That means we are unable to work on the milestones agreed with NLnet, and won’t receive payments from them.
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Keep up the good work y’all!
You guys are doing a fantastic work. Congrats on creating such a cool project like Lemmy.
What is the best way to donate to lemmy? According to this article it’s Liberapay. Is that true?
Yes liberapay doesn’t take any commission.
post it to Mastodon with LemmyDev account
@[email protected] @[email protected] this is a good idea for the users over there to share
Great to see an update. I know you guys got overloaded quickly and I appreciate what you are doing. I’ll check out the donation link.
For us maintainers (dessalines and nutomic), it has resulted in an endless stream of questions and notifications, which is impossible to keep up with. Previously there were 5 - 10 Github notifications per day; now they have risen to over 100 daily.
That is what i was worried about, Feedback for developers probably correlates with the number of active users , more users mean more feedback (github issues and comments) and more stuff to read, I thought this might not be a problem because i looked at mastodon and didn’t see a lot of issues getting opened in a day, but it’s the comments that could be the real problem, unless you will improve your funding and start hiring more people (even temporarily hiring freelancers) things will probably get worst and you will lose a lot of good feedback.
We are increasingly reliant on user donations to pay our bills. These donations currently add up to 1500 Euros per month, which is not even enough to pay minimum wage for the two of us. Hopefully more users can consider donating, so that we can put our full attention to making Lemmy better for everyone, and possibly add more developers to our worker co-op in the future.
looking at liberapay , patreon and opencollective my calculation says you are getting about 4465 dollars (2714+217.58*4.345+806) when this comment was written , that’s about 0.15 dollar per active user (assuming about 28K monthly active users).
For comparison beehaw has about 3069 monthly active users and got this month (6/1/2023 -> 6/17/2023) about $3,461.60 ( 1.12 dollar per user, probably better then reddit for most of it’s history).
So i am pretty sure the problem is with getting funding (most people are not aware of the option to donate, or/and are not convinced or incentived to do it). Lemmy should work on it’s conversation rate.
If you are interested, i worked for a while on a guide to help fund open source and got some good feedback on it, maybe you will find it useful.
From what I’ve seen, the fediverse generally is doing a rather poor job of normalising donations from users. If you have some expertise or experience in this domain, and are willing, I’d urge you to just get involved and gather people or whatever you can to create better tools or design patterns or strategies for this.
I suspect there’s trepidation from developers to get to “pushy” with donations and so turn off their user base, and yet they don’t really no how to go about it well and so it just becomes a lost issue when in reality it is central to a “free” fediverse.
I also worry that getting this right earlier rather than later is important. As people join the fediverse, they absorb the culture, norms and design language of the place. The earlier donations are just a normal part of things, the sooner they’re actually normalised.
Just made a donation on Liberapay, thanks for everything that you’ve done!
I subscribed to their Patreon. I don’t pay for subscriptions normally, but for an open source platform I’ll gladly pay to keep it that way!
Same. I also ent ahead and became a regular patreon giver. Only 10 a month but its far better than buying some dumbass blue check or waiting for reddit to do the same since the CEO clearly loves him some Elon.
