• Gabu@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    as long as human beings live in societies they will seek cooperation and justice.

    You defeated your own position. Humans aren’t, nor can be perfecly just nor perfectly cooperative.

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      7 months ago

      You defeat your own position, no one said perfection was necessary to achieve any kind of society, no need to let perfection be the enemy of good enough and functional.

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        7 months ago

        My brother in christ, focus on the whole discussion instead of taking it one argument at a time. An imperfect society will, by necessity, fail to the issues raised previously.

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          7 months ago

          If there’s some other part of the argument that supports that, I don’t see it.

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          7 months ago

          I’m not a Christian, but I don’t think it’s at all possible for a society to be perfect, ever. By that metric nothing will address the issues. But issues can be addressed even partially and can be the difference between death and survival.

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            7 months ago

            I’m not a Christian

            Neither am I. It’s a figure of speech.

            I don’t think it’s at all possible for a society to be perfect, ever.

            Then you shouldn’t campaign for the one form of government which does pretty much require a perfect society.

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              7 months ago

              I don’t agree with that either. If we never knew capitalism we would say the same thing, as a matter of fact we would say it’s inherently imperfect and needs regulations at every turn. On paper I’d say anarchy beats capitalism any day and I’m not even a huge fan of anarchy.

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                7 months ago

                ???

                If we never knew capitalism we would say the same thing

                We do say the same thing. It’s why we want to crush this shitty system. Because we know it is shit and doesn’t work.

                needs regulations at every turn

                A privilege which Anarchy doesn’t get.