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      This was posted in 2021, since then the white supremacists have figured out that they can just double down instead of giving up and not being racist pieces of shit.

      As for tankies… those fuckers are real, and are also pretty gross. But do note that a tankie is a specific type of authoritarian loving communist, who is perfectly happy to watch a communist country use literal tanks to crush any attempt at free speech or democracy.

      After all, the original tankies cheered on the Soviet crushing of the Hungarian revolution, a revolution led by the local communists who wanted to remain a communist country, just not a soviet country.

      I say that you cannot have a true communist country unless it’s also a true democracy. Having a single party with all others made illegal doesn’t count.

      You also cannot have a true democracy under unchecked capitalism. But everyone knows that one.

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        After all, the original tankies cheered on the Soviet crushing of the Hungarian revolution, a revolution led by the local communists who wanted to remain a communist country, just not a soviet country.

        Hungarians: “Actually, our interim government consists of a supermajority of socialist parties and we intend to-”

        Tankies today: “F A S C I S T S”

        I can honestly afford tankies back then a little more leeway - at least some of them were simply ignorant and giving the Sovs the benefit of the doubt given the limited ability to filter through information across the Iron Curtain reliably - but now we have so much information at our fingertips that it’s hard to believe people still repeat long-discredited propaganda.

        Ignore the Sea Lion below me. He’s just JAQing off, as tankies love to do. I have him blocked, but I still get notifications lmao.

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          To be fair, Viktor Orbán is pretty fascist, and has kind of made himself Prime Minister for life. The current Hungarian Parliament is made up of Conservative and Far right ideologies, so not very socialist at all.

          But yeah, the Soviets killed a lot of good communist leaders back in 1956. And the Tankies cheered (which was how they were named.)

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          Way to throw the baby out with the bath water. Because a bad thing happened in 1956, all communists today are evil?

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          Tankies believe that communism is only possible with a super strict authoritarian state to enforce it. No dissent against the communist ideals of that state are allowed. And in their view, out right murder of those dissenting voices is 100% justified.

          Tankies are almost 100% pro-CCP, and will either try to justify the ongoing genocide of the Uyghurs, or they deny that it’s happening at all.

          Now, the next category of tankie is particularly gross, the ones who are pro-Putin. They might acknowledge that Russia isn’t communist anymore, but still see it as “Taking on the evil capitalists of the west”.

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              Putin is a greater threat to world stability. The fucker has threatened to use nukes repeatedly.

              He’s also a fucking capitalist as well. Russia is fully capitalist. Russian ascendancy is just more capitalism, but with an added dash of authoritarianism.

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                So you’re okay with American imperialism/ NATO? I believe that is what the tankies see as more of a threat. Would you call yourself a liberal? A Social Democrat? Just trying to learn.

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                  As opposed to Russian Imperialism?

                  Tankies don’t acknowledge that Russia is a capitalist, imperialist hellhole as well.

                  The CCP is also a capitalist imperialist hellhole. (Yes, they adopted a form of capitalism, and are speed running the hellscape)

                  While American capitalism is actively killing the planet, Russia and China are actively helping that effort.

                  A tankie thinks that Russia and the CCP are somehow good, a realist says, no they aren’t, they’re actively committing genocide on their own people, and might start WW3 by invading Taiwan, a mostly functional democracy that really is a separate country, and has been since the early 50s.

                  No country on earth is the “good one”.

                  All reality has, is differing levels of shit. Russia has an unstable capitalist autocrat at the helm. Putin has absolute power in Russia, and is actively in a war that he started as a land grab. A war he started with no justification at all. Just lies.

                  Now, the US also did that one two decades ago, but at least Saddam was a murderous psychopath dictator. And the US never threatened to use nukes in Iraq. It was a war based on lies, but the only good part was that nukes were never on the table.

                  Putin invaded a functional democracy, and has repeatedly threatened to use nukes. That alone is more of a threat to world stability than anything the US has done since McArthur tried to nuke Korea and was slapped down by Truman.

                  The use of Nukes would kick off the end of the world. An instant WW3.

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                    Every nation is imperialist to some degree, it’s what capitalism requires. That includes Russia and China. It’s just that after WW2 America did it really well and spread “democracy” all over the world. So, if all companies are capitalist hellholes, you have to at least understand why tankies hate the biggest hellhole the most. Once you look at the history of the US and see what it has done to maintain control. You can understand why tankies feel the way they do. Never forget that America is the only country that has ever used a nuke on another country. I don’t like the Russia and China apologetics that tankies do. But when contrasted with the crimes of America, I understand. You are doing a bit of American apologetics yourself. If you are sincere about overthrowing capitalism, as I am, then you should see tankies as allies in the class struggle. Call them Marxist-Leninist. Using the pejorative “tankie” is immature and anachronistic. You can still dislike some of their ideals and still work with them.