This is great - it’s high time we set the framing straight, just like this. For far too long public discourse has defaulted to conservative framing of issues, and it’s only served to drag the Overton window right. I agree with other commenters that things are more nuanced, but the least we can do is begin discussions from a more left-leaning frame of mind.
This all began almost a half-century ago, when conservatives began pouring billions of dollars into researching language and ideas. They wanted to ensure that they would forever dominate political discourse in the USA by making words mean what they wanted them to mean.
I agree that framing is important. For example, I don’t support new taxes or making drugs legal.
I DO support repealing tax cuts and repealing cannabis prohibition.
Still, I suspect that conservatives oppose many of these things regardless of framing, due to an “I got mine” mindset. The trick is to frame these issues in a way that appeals to their self interest.
For example, instead of “universal healthcare is the right thing to do for the dignity of our population”, we need to frame it as “universal healthcare will save taxpayers money”.
lol nobody cares about n’taxpayer money’ and conservatives haven’t been a real thing in decades. stop pretending to be in honest dialogue with them; they font exist, you just see Nazis wearing their skin
Yeah you have a point I struggle whenever I want to describe my political opposition. Sometimes I want to write Republicans but then there are people who claim to be independent or libertarian so then I write conservatives but in reality the Republicans don’t uphold any conservative values such as small government, fiscal responsibility, etc. So I think I’ve settled on the term regressive. You’re either progressive or regressive and regressives are holding us back from moving forward. I think fascists could work too but so many Trump supporters just don’t understand that they’re being fascists.
yeah the people who are just, like, ‘leave me the fuck alone as much as possible, I’ll leave you alone as much as possible, and if we have to get together, we do it as close to equals as possible’ are all a particular narrowish band (in the signal sense) of anarchists.
radical lefties who the republican party does nooooot like. who nobody in power likes.
that same sensibility that was honestly about ‘balanced budgets’ in the 50s is now, like, solarpunk (because it doesn’t take two eyes these days to see money is totally disconnected from reality, but sustainability and stability are still nice) and necessarily anti authoritarian. they just abandoned all their virtues, and somebody had to pick them up, so…
This is great - it’s high time we set the framing straight, just like this. For far too long public discourse has defaulted to conservative framing of issues, and it’s only served to drag the Overton window right. I agree with other commenters that things are more nuanced, but the least we can do is begin discussions from a more left-leaning frame of mind.
This all began almost a half-century ago, when conservatives began pouring billions of dollars into researching language and ideas. They wanted to ensure that they would forever dominate political discourse in the USA by making words mean what they wanted them to mean.
this shit is really moderate and centrist, not even left. just, like ‘I want a society and to not be exploited’.
I agree that framing is important. For example, I don’t support new taxes or making drugs legal.
I DO support repealing tax cuts and repealing cannabis prohibition.
Still, I suspect that conservatives oppose many of these things regardless of framing, due to an “I got mine” mindset. The trick is to frame these issues in a way that appeals to their self interest.
For example, instead of “universal healthcare is the right thing to do for the dignity of our population”, we need to frame it as “universal healthcare will save taxpayers money”.
lol nobody cares about n’taxpayer money’ and conservatives haven’t been a real thing in decades. stop pretending to be in honest dialogue with them; they font exist, you just see Nazis wearing their skin
Yeah you have a point I struggle whenever I want to describe my political opposition. Sometimes I want to write Republicans but then there are people who claim to be independent or libertarian so then I write conservatives but in reality the Republicans don’t uphold any conservative values such as small government, fiscal responsibility, etc. So I think I’ve settled on the term regressive. You’re either progressive or regressive and regressives are holding us back from moving forward. I think fascists could work too but so many Trump supporters just don’t understand that they’re being fascists.
yeah the people who are just, like, ‘leave me the fuck alone as much as possible, I’ll leave you alone as much as possible, and if we have to get together, we do it as close to equals as possible’ are all a particular narrowish band (in the signal sense) of anarchists.
radical lefties who the republican party does nooooot like. who nobody in power likes.
that same sensibility that was honestly about ‘balanced budgets’ in the 50s is now, like, solarpunk (because it doesn’t take two eyes these days to see money is totally disconnected from reality, but sustainability and stability are still nice) and necessarily anti authoritarian. they just abandoned all their virtues, and somebody had to pick them up, so…
Sure they have. We call them Democrats.
I’d argue they’re still pretty faschy. or at least pre-faschy, like paint primer.