The whole thing is phrased the way I phrase acquisition requests at work, everything is true but it’s very much written in a way that exaggerates the severity. No major reasons not to add it since it should be quite simple, but that phrasing is bound to tick people off a little. (Edit bc i just remembered this is about doxxing: no of fucking course that’s not even remotely an appropriate response and I see 0 justification for it, and I feel like it probably wouldve happened even with different phrasing, this isn’t meant to be victim blaming)
Wouldn’t be hard to instead say “hey, i have an issue with the lack of a gender neutral pronoun option, it causes feelings of dysphoria for myself and many others which makes me not want to play the game, would be great if that could be added.” Or even just leave out the dramaticizing adjectives, that might do it on its own.
You’ve pretty much summed up my take on this. Trying to exaggerate the number of people affected doesn’t help when you game things out. At best, it doesn’t negatively affect your chances, and at worse you can peev off people that would otherwise be willing to help.
Apart from the non-binary players, I don’t see a reason why the trans players can’t just play as their chosen gender. The only thing I can think of to break the immersion is having kids, and even then the game doesn’t do much to differentiate adopted vs birth children
Depends how you read the “and”, it is only a statement about those who are “trans AND nonbinary”, not “trans OR nonbinary”. Would be a weird choice of wording though. Not sure how many people would consider themselves in the group of non-binary and not trans, but certainly lots of agender people consider themselves not trans, but those same people I think typically don’t consider themselves non-binary either and typically wouldn’t care that much about pronouns to begin with. Also doubt there are many binary trans people who use pronouns that aren’t the default for their binary gender (ie: women who use he/him or neopronouns. Maybe xenopronouns among furries? But like I feel like a lot of those people mostly do it as a criticism of the institution of gender and don’t actually take them serious?).
Anyways, agreed they just seem to be trying to be over-the-top with the wording, but understandable that someone making a petition would feel pressured to write like that. Would be nice to see body-type and pronouns (in games that use them) be separate settings as default in all games. We’ve been able to name our rival “Dickface” since '96. Doesn’t seem like much to ask for similar control of our own character’s pronouns.
Anyways, agreed they just seem to be trying to be over-the-top with the wording, but understandable that someone making a petition would feel pressured to write like that.
I get why someone might exaggerate the need of their petition, but overall it’s still a bad idea. The best case scenario is that nobody cares about the hyperbole, but at worse you’re alienating people that would otherwise be open to helping.
Not to mention the fact that SDV has been out for 10 years now. It’s not like the person making the petition hasn’t had time to sit down and think this out. Not only that, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t already a mod that already did 99% of what they’re requesting. They could have picked a mod (or written it themselves) and asked for ConcernedApe to work with the mod author to merge it into the game, potentially reducing the work he has to do and thereby making it more likely to happen
Easy to say when you’re not being affected personally.
The whole thing is phrased the way I phrase acquisition requests at work, everything is true but it’s very much written in a way that exaggerates the severity. No major reasons not to add it since it should be quite simple, but that phrasing is bound to tick people off a little. (Edit bc i just remembered this is about doxxing: no of fucking course that’s not even remotely an appropriate response and I see 0 justification for it, and I feel like it probably wouldve happened even with different phrasing, this isn’t meant to be victim blaming)
Wouldn’t be hard to instead say “hey, i have an issue with the lack of a gender neutral pronoun option, it causes feelings of dysphoria for myself and many others which makes me not want to play the game, would be great if that could be added.” Or even just leave out the dramaticizing adjectives, that might do it on its own.
You’ve pretty much summed up my take on this. Trying to exaggerate the number of people affected doesn’t help when you game things out. At best, it doesn’t negatively affect your chances, and at worse you can peev off people that would otherwise be willing to help.
Apart from the non-binary players, I don’t see a reason why the trans players can’t just play as their chosen gender. The only thing I can think of to break the immersion is having kids, and even then the game doesn’t do much to differentiate adopted vs birth children
Depends how you read the “and”, it is only a statement about those who are “trans AND nonbinary”, not “trans OR nonbinary”. Would be a weird choice of wording though. Not sure how many people would consider themselves in the group of non-binary and not trans, but certainly lots of agender people consider themselves not trans, but those same people I think typically don’t consider themselves non-binary either and typically wouldn’t care that much about pronouns to begin with. Also doubt there are many binary trans people who use pronouns that aren’t the default for their binary gender (ie: women who use he/him or neopronouns. Maybe xenopronouns among furries? But like I feel like a lot of those people mostly do it as a criticism of the institution of gender and don’t actually take them serious?).
Anyways, agreed they just seem to be trying to be over-the-top with the wording, but understandable that someone making a petition would feel pressured to write like that. Would be nice to see body-type and pronouns (in games that use them) be separate settings as default in all games. We’ve been able to name our rival “Dickface” since '96. Doesn’t seem like much to ask for similar control of our own character’s pronouns.
I get why someone might exaggerate the need of their petition, but overall it’s still a bad idea. The best case scenario is that nobody cares about the hyperbole, but at worse you’re alienating people that would otherwise be open to helping.
Not to mention the fact that SDV has been out for 10 years now. It’s not like the person making the petition hasn’t had time to sit down and think this out. Not only that, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t already a mod that already did 99% of what they’re requesting. They could have picked a mod (or written it themselves) and asked for ConcernedApe to work with the mod author to merge it into the game, potentially reducing the work he has to do and thereby making it more likely to happen