• flan [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    There’s what Biden is actually doing vs what people think Trump will do. You think Trump will worsen the genocide - but what does that mean, materially? Biden is already sending Israel all the weapons they want and giving them all the air cover they need politically. What more could Trump do?

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      What more could Trump do?

      Send troops. Enact a draft to that end to “make the libz cry.” Send more weapons.

      But you’re agreeing with my point. If Trump and Biden are essentially the same on this issue, you have to compare the other things about them, and they are not even close to the same on other issues (LGBTQ rights, unions, women’s rights, taxes for the rich, etc.). If “supports genocide” is the single issue for you, then you live an immensely privileged life that you don’t have to worry about other aspects of governance.

      And no matter what you think, thanks to FPTP, those are your two options, because you can’t build the momentum needed to upset the upcoming election; you’re years too late. Abstention is a vote for the person you like less, so you are left with voting for Biden or Trump, whether you like it or not.

      Voting is not a valentine, it’s a chess move.

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        Oh sure let’s talk about LGBTQ rights and Women’s rights shall we. Under which president was Roe v. Wade struck down? Under which president have abortion bans in many states popped up with complete inaction from the federal government? Under which president have anti-trans laws popped up with complete inaction from the federal government?

        My expectations of Trump is we will have a buffoonish worsening of the current conditions of the world. Under Biden we will have a cynical worsening of current conditions. Am I priveleged? Yes, I live in the imperial core. I live in a blue state. I have a stable job. But don’t think for a second that I can’t see what’s happening around me.

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          Under which president was Roe v. Wade struck down?

          This one.

          And who put the Federalist Society justices in place who struck it down? Oh, that’s right. Donald fucking Trump.

          Under which president have abortion bans in many states popped up with complete inaction from the federal government? Under which president have anti-trans laws popped up with complete inaction from the federal government?

          This one.

          What powers do you think they have? Laws are struck down by the judiciary, which we’ve already established has been captured, thanks to Trump.

          Here’s a question for you: who has been enacting those laws? What is the nature of the legislature in those cases?

          None of your gripes here are Biden’s fault, unless you’re wishing he’d be more authoritarian (fuck that). Trump is 100% to blame for the current state of the law, and helping him get reelected isn’t going to help LGBTQ people or women’s rights.

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            Trump is not to blame for the state of the law. The Democrats have had many chances over the years to protect the rights that the Republicans have said out loud, for decades, that they will remove. Time and time again they did not prioritize it. Biden was a senator and then vice president and then president during these opportunities.

            None of your gripes here are Biden’s fault

            Yes they are absolutely his fault. He has been deeply involved in the highest levels of government for decades.

            unless you’re wishing he’d be more authoritarian (fuck that).

            You don’t think throwing teenage girls in prison for getting an abortion after being raped is authortarian? How privileged to be able to say that freedoms should be fought for based on your personal opinion of the right way of doing it.

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              I don’t think we share a common view of reality. You seem to be under the impression that State laws are Biden’s fault, and his inability to prevent them is also his fault. I don’t share that opinion, as I don’t see the facts leading to that conclusion.

              I think it’s not worth continuing this conversation. Have a good day. See you at the polls.

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            None of your gripes here are Biden’s fault, unless you’re wishing he’d be more authoritarian (fuck that)

            Your ideology calls it authoritarian to not give free-reign to unelected judges with lifetime appointments. You’re a joke.

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        Send troops. Enact a draft to that end to “make the libz cry.”

        You are really out of touch. Trump loves imperial domineering, but he generally prefers to avoid boots on the ground because they represent a liability to his image. He will not send volunteers and he knows as well as anyone that it’d be suicide to enact a draft.

        Send more weapons.

        Biden does this.