Authorities described the student as a juvenile male but did not provide further identification or specifics pending an investigation

Wisconsin police shot and killed a student who officials say came to a local middle school with a gun. The student never got into the school, but as a precaution the entire district was put on a lockdown late Wednesday morning.

Students have since been reunited with their parents, some of whom waited up to five hours for their children to be dropped at a bus storage center in Mount Horeb, a village about 20 miles south-west of Madison, the state capital, according to WMTV 15 news.

No other students or staff were injured in the shooting, Josh Kaul, Wisconsin’s attorney general, said during a Wednesday news conference.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-fatally-shoot-student-wisconsin-middle-school-responding-report-rcna150308

    Not a ton more detail, but it sounds like a kid has a visible gun that some students reported seeing. Then they tried to enter the school, but the school had a video doorbell/door buzzer type setup. There were five or so shots in quick succession that must’ve included officers.

    Have to wait on more info, but it sounds like at worst they failed to deescalate. At best they showed up and the kid started shooting and they returned fire.

    No innocent kids died, so that’s a win in my book.

    • 🔍🦘🛎@lemmy.world
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      While it’s good news not to have a fresh school shooting, how hard is it to detain a middle schooler without murdering them…?

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        A tragedy of firearms is it makes children just as dangerous as anyone else. If the child was using the gun, they were the most dangerous person in the school.

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          The firearm is called the great equalizer for a reason.

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        This was still a school shooting. Justified or not, a child was still murdered.

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          You must be confused about the definition of murder.

          Here’s a hint: if it’s a justified shooting, it’s not murder. Murder requires premeditation.

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                MURDER
                Murder is when one human being unlawfully kills another human being. See Homicide. The precise legal definition of murder varies by jurisdiction. Most states distinguish between different degrees of murder. Some other states base their murder laws on the Model Penal Code. Contents:

                • Common Law Murder
                • Pennsylvania Method of Classifying Murder
                • Model Penal Code
                  Overview
                  Background: Common Law Murder

                At common law, murder was defined as killing another human being with malice aforethought. Malice aforethought is a legal term of art, that encompasses the following types of murder:

                1. “Intent-to-kill murder”
                2. “Grievous-bodily-harm murder” - Killing someone in an attack intended to cause them grievous bodily harm. For example, if the defendant fatally stabbed the victim, even if the defendant only intended to wound the victim, the defendant would still be liable for murder.
                3. “Felony-murder” - Killing someone while in the process of committing a felony. Note that at common law, there were few felonies, and all carried the death penalty. For example, at common law, robbery was a felony. So if a robber accidentally killed someone during a robbery, the robber could be executed.
                4. “Depraved heart murder” - Killing someone in a way that demonstrates a callous disregard for the value of human life. For example, if a person intentionally fires a gun into a crowded room, and someone dies, the person could be convicted of depraved heart murder.

                And that’s just the Cornell Law School page. It’s actually much more complex than what’s linked above. You’re out of your element, son.

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                  I was more so responding in regards to the original posters comment regarding the lack of justification as distinguishing this act from murder. If the police officers were allowed to kill him under the law, it is not murder. Murder, by my sources (which show the English-language definition) as well as yours (which show the legal definition), is a legal term that applies to a subset of acts of homicide.

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          If the child shot or even aimed at police, the police shoot back. That’s how it works in this country.

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              Here is the question though. Does this rule apply to just them? Does it apply to others with respect to them?

              If not, how do you deal with the police abusing the power this gives them?

              If yes, how do you avoid constant bloodbaths of people shooting each other because they all had guns?

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                Seems like dishonest questions from you here. You responded as if I implied scenario that solves all problems ever in policing because you jumped right at it with some “well what about …” comments.

                At the heart of what I am saying is cops have families and deserve safety like any other worker. I would expect anyone with a job who goes into dangerous situations are kept safe. Cops are unique in that their safety is threatened by other people. There are so many problems with police, right now this “on killing” attitude that infected police forces needs to be purged. Doesn’t negate what I said though.

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                  If the child shot or even aimed(emphasis mine) at police, the police shoot back. That’s how it works in this country.

                  You agreed and expanded, saying this is how it should work in every country and treated it as an issue of police safety, bringing up their families.

                  cops have families and deserve safety like any other worker.

                  We can agree on this. Everyone worker has a right to be reasonably safe. There are definitely workers whose jobs regularly expose them to situations that can be dangerous.

                  Cops are unique in that their safety is threatened by other people.

                  I dispute the uniqueness claim. I would agree that their profession places them in situations where people may be dangerous more often than the average profession, for sure. They are not, however, unique in this. What’s unique to them is that they are issued a firearm, granted qualified immunity, treated as heroes by default, and dropped into a union often willing to sacrifice public safety as a “bargaining” tactic.

                  The current mentality resulting from police “warrior” training and support like you espouse is 1) Anyone and everyone could be a threat 2) An officer’s first duty is to themself and their own safety.

                  I think it is pretty obvious that obsessing over officer safety and exaggerating the danger they are in has led to the police violence that we see today. If an officer believes a civilian is dangerous and has a gun they follow the logic and kill them. They get pats on the back from their buddies and are defended vehemently by their supervisors and peers who often cover for any holes/inconsistencies in the story of why lethal force was necessary.

                  A cop doesn’t need to be an abusive, racist, hateful, violent psychopath to kill an innocent kid. They just need to be hyped up and afraid for their life. All it takes is for the kid to reach into their pocket for a cell phone.

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                    Yet we’re discussion an instance where a kid brings a gun to school and is killed and sounds like you’re assuming the cop is automatically wrong.

                    They are not, however, unique in this. What’s unique to them is that they are issued a firearm, granted qualified immunity, treated as heroes by default, and dropped into a union often willing to sacrifice public safety as a “bargaining” tactic.

                    Agreed on that as well. The police union is out of control. I also have issue with stories of police harassing and terrorizing anyone that comes at them and holding them accountable. Even lawyers at time sound like they are afraid to do this because the work with police often in courts and doing so would put a target on them.

                    I think over time the job probably affects the brain in a way most people don’t sympathize with. Its something I don’t understand. I laugh and get angry at all the same videos you all do. I go through phases where I hate cops and phases where I understand its not easy what they do. I just don’t feel like the current sentiment is accurate.