Illustration of the effect alluded to in the title:
Yes, that’s accurate.
Biden definitely hasn’t supported unions, supported green energy, or lgbt rights.
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I swear there is a short-sighted concerted effort to elect trump on lemmy.
Fucking idiots.
Criticizing Biden doesn’t imply the person criticizing him won’t vote for him. Let us criticize and pressure him to do better.
supported unions
Biden blocked the railroad strike in 2022, which was asking for sick days and improved working conditions for rail operators
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-railroad-strike-2022-12-02/
Coincidentally, that was shortly followed up by the East Palestine train derailment a month and a half later, caused by a mechanical failure due to safety standards being ignored in favor of maximum throughput
https://dep.wv.gov/key-issues/Pages/East-Palestine.aspx
Additionally, East Palestine still has not been cleaned up properly. Residents are dealing with insane medical conditions because their homes have been poisoned and their government has abandoned them.
supported green energy
More fossil fuel has been extracted during biden’s administration than any other time in this country’s history
Lgbt rights
550 anti-trans bills have been proposed or passed across the country since 2020. Mr president has done nothing to stop that flow and protect trans people.
This feels like a troll account for some reason. Stirring the pot pretty disingenuously across the board.
The railroad workers got what they wanted because the admin followed up. So he averted a rail strike and got them their concessions.
The east Palestine disaster isn’t this admins fault. It’s anl negligent rail companies fault combined with deregulation from previous Congresses and the previous administration. Not to mention both previous Congress and admin sat on an infrastructure spending packages that could have addressed antiquated rail infrastructure. Ironically, Biden managed to pass the biggest infrastructure package in American history (with a divided Congress). With clean energy and resiliency built it. And if I recall correctly FEMA and Co are still monitoring and supporting the clean up.
Your fossil fuel is thing is BS because of course its growing–we’ve done nothing, our CONGRESS has done nothing to curtail it. The previous admin opened the flood gates on regulations as well. Don’t lay that at the feet of this admin. That’s absolute horse shit. The aforementioned infrastructure bill included the most investment in green energy ever.
And the anti trans shit is Bidens fault how? He signed the respect marriage act, he reversed the ban for trans service members, and strengthen some of the protections against discrimination re housing and healthcare.
You want lord emperor Biden to go send mobs after statehouses and local governments?? That’s not how Any of this works and you know it.
If you didn’t know better, you’d swear there is an organized tankie effort to infiltrate blahaj zone.
Tell me you only read news headlines without telling me you only read the headlines.
Biden definitely hasn’t supported unions
True.
supported green energy, or lgbt rights.
Ok, those he has but nowhere near as much as the left wants and in the case of the former, there’s almost always privatization of public infrastructure and/or gifts for the fossil fuel industries bundled with it, making it 2 steps forward, 1 step back at best and usually worse.
I swear there is a short-sighted concerted effort to elect trump on lemmy.
Yeah, it’s called “pretending Biden can do nothing wrong and is the best possible candidate”.
I want Trump to lose. With Biden as the only alternative, there’s a huge risk of that not happening.
Fucking idiots.
Yes, you and your fellow Biden apparatchiks sometimes are.
My brother in Christ, “the left” (at least as far as Lemmy presents it) unironically defends Russia making homosexuality illegal because it “opposes western degeneracy.”
First of all, I’m not your “brother in Christ”. I stopped believing in fairy tales as a child.
I also don’t feel any kinship to gaslighting idiots who can’t tell the difference between tankies and, to use myself as an example, anti-authoritarian pacifists who just want regular people to be given a chance to thrive and not be ground under the heels of the mighty.
Russia is a fascist theocracy and anyone who calls themselves a leftist while supporting fascism, theocracy, or both, is either an idiot, a liar or both.
Hexbear literally has the largest trans community on lemmy. Russia’s homophobia is also heavily criticised on hexbear. Promoting homophobia or transphobia will always be banned there.
Yea, that’s just not true. I have never seen the modern left, Lemmy or otherwise, defend Russian Homophobia, whether it be in the USSR or the modern Russian Federation.
I don’t see how saying that the democrats aren’t achieving enough is an effort to elect Trump.
The people targeted by this kind of image in the comments are people who would have voted for Biden and other Democrats. It causes people to either become apathetic and fail to vote (or do any other meaningful action to influence their government) or to become angry and refuse to vote in protest. But, in order to have that effect it most be coupled with some amount of “both sides” rhetoric or “not good enough” rhetoric. Criticism by itself is not enough.
What really makes me apathetic and not want to bother voting is every time someone puts pressure on Biden to be better, they’re met with bullshit like this instead of “yeah, your right, let’s keep the pressure up so he’ll be even better next time”… You know what REALLY turns people off? Being dismissed and not feeling heard or validated
“The democrats are mean to me so I didn’t vote” grow a goddamn spine
Probably not a great argument for getting people to vote… Let alone vote the way you’d like them to
Yeah that can be tough, some people view criticism as the same thing as total opposition, especially on the internet where personal history is non-existent and hyperbole is rampant. It can help to couple your criticism with something that lets those people know you’re still on their side.
The people targeted are the politicians and anyone who helps them maintain the delusion they can win without muslim voters or the left. Saying “Biden need to end the genocide to win the election” is not an attempt to stop Biden from winning the election. Saying “Facilitating genocide, restarting student loan payments, building the wall were all unforced errors that hurt his chances” are not attempts to stop Biden from winning the election.
The only people stopping Biden from winning the election are Biden, the DNC, and everyone claiming they can win without at least repairing the damage he has done RE Israel and student loan repayments.
Criticism by itself is not enough
I’m avidly against the dictator Trump, but calling the opposition fucking idiots is part of why our nation is so divided
When the politics of the opposition turns into literal fascism, you better believe I want to be divided away from those villains and, yes, fucking idiots.
That the closest thing to a viable opposition to them insists that everyone who’s opposed to fascism vote for someone who’s received more money from AIPAC over the years than his current net worth and acts like it is fucking idiotic as well, though.
The most charitable analysis is that they’re extremely ignorant. After that, it’s they’ve buried their heads in the sand, which is idiotic. After that, it’s that they think things would improve under fascism, which is also idiotic. After that, it’s that they somehow think that Trump is actually an intelligent and qualified person, which is also idiotic.
Yeah if they aren’t stupid they’re just evil
Good ol’ Hanlon’s Razor
That’s the one, thanks!
This is just generally why ideology is important and anti-realism is dangerous. If you don’t have any actual beliefs then this kind of conflict resolution is way too deceptively attractive.
Yeah. And that doesn’t mean you can’t be a moderate. Multiple moderates sacrificed their careers for the haymarket martyrs. But you have to actually believe in something and that some things are unacceptable. Tactics are valuable but it’s a valuable tactic to get your opponents thinking so tactically they give up their goals
If the libs could read they’d be so pissed
There’s no good faith discussion to be had with people who want to dominate
So true and even the demand of the unjust man is an argument to moderation fallacy. Theres no reason to ever presume the middle to be the correct place, simply due to its middle-ness.
For example, if I said the sky was predominantly yellow and you corrected me saying “no, the sky is predominantly blue” would it be reasonable to conclude that the sky is predominantly green?
Exactly
You put Groucho marx on anything and I’ll agree with it. You have cracked the propaganda code. Congratulations. 🏆
Groucho > Karl
The ratchet effect is real, but it least it buys us time to try to solve problems for real outside of electoral politics. The alternative effectively immediately eliminates any chances of solving any problem.
If you’re worried about the ratchet effect it’s because you’ve pinned your hopes on electoral politics; interestingly this argument often comes from people saying they don’t believe in the power of electoral politics to effect change.
Also it’s not like the far-right never had to adjust to the current political climate. There’s a quite good reason why there’s now blacks and Latinos working with white supremacists.
We also could benefit from the ratchet effect, but a lot of liberal politicians are trying to win over the right. That’s why some back out from trans issues unfortunately, or double down on tax cuts to the rich.
The whole “we need to win over the moderates from the other side by making compromises” is an astroturf, see the Lincoln Project. All we need is better communication, and to reveal that “the cruelty is the point” of many of the far-right’s socioeconomic policies, not concerns about “the transes” (previously “the gays”) might regretting their “lifestyle choices”, or “giving money to drug addicts that they’ll use for a lethal overdose”.
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