Spanish police requested information from Apple, and encrypted services Proton and Wire, about a pro-Catalan independence activist.
  • lemmyreader@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
    927·
    7 months ago

    “helped” is very misleading. Companies can’t refuse to provide information they have when served a search warrant / court order. These companies DID NOT choose to provide the info on their own.

    You are suggesting all these companies are completely helpless against legal requests. That is not correct. A company should first make clear that the legal request is actually completely legitimate and correct. After that they can look at whether they should provide the information or not.

    See the data here :

    • SecurityPro@lemmy.ml
      442·
      7 months ago

      As someone who has worked fraud and online investigations, and both written and served search warrants; it is not an option. A probable cause affidavit is presented to a judge and if the judge agrees there is sufficient probable cause, a search warrant is issued. This is an order by the judge and not optional. The judge can hold the company in contempt if they refuse to obey his/her order.

      • Deckweiss@lemmy.world
        31·
        7 months ago

        Read the blog by the guy behind cock.li , he refused multiple illegitimate warrants so far.

        What matters is the jurisdiction of the service, not the one of the warrant author, otherwise china would have already warranted all data of all other world citizens lol

        • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
          2·
          7 months ago

          Proton complies with Swiss law, and has to be channeled through Swiss official channels who rely the request.

          So there’s jurisdiction.

          • Deckweiss@lemmy.world
            21·
            7 months ago

            That is true. But I wasn’t debating about this specific case, but rather the generalized statement.

            The comment I replied to implies “If there is a warrant, it is always legitimate and you have to follow it, because a lawyer said so”. That is not true and if it were the world would quickly go to shit, which I pointed out.

            • Railcar8095@lemm.ee
              3·
              7 months ago

              I would say your interpretation was a bit extreme. Nobody implied a warrant from anywhere in the world.

              • Deckweiss@lemmy.world
                2·
                7 months ago

                Again, it doesn’t matter where the warrant fomes from. What matters is where it goes to.

                And that detail is pretty important, while being completely left out. They say:

                it is not an option.

                But yes it is, depending on the jurisdiction.

    • refalo@programming.dev
      13·
      7 months ago

      Are you suggesting they didn’t do those things? Good info either way.

      Also there IS another alternative, the lavabit way… just go out of business /s

    • brunchyvirus@fedia.io
      12·
      7 months ago

      There is a great talk from the Lavabit CEO who discusses what happened to him and his company when they found out Snowden had an email at his company. I won’t link it since it’s YouTube but it’s an hour long but he talks about his experience with the FBI and the courts. You can search for M3AAWG 2014 Keynote, I highly recommend it.