A new set of Times/Siena polls, including one with The Philadelphia Inquirer, reveal an erosion of support for the president among young and nonwhite voters upset about the economy and Gaza.
If Biden and Trump really are tied among Gen Z voters, I’m afraid Gen Z voters just don’t understand the American election system. If we don’t get Biden, we get Trump, which would be infinitely worse for most of the causes they are angry with Biden on.
What are your expectations? Biden has implemented far more policy than he gets credit for. He can’t fix everything all at once. It has taken us decades to get where we are, one presidential term is not going to be enough to right the ship.
We all have to work within the framework as it exists today - even the president. He has some challenging lines to walk just to get seemingly simple things done.
So what policies do you want? And in what ways have Biden’s progress been unacceptable to you? In what ways have they been acceptable? Given the current landscape, what do you realistically think he could or should do differently?
We all have to work within the framework as it exists today - even the president. He has some challenging lines to walk just to get seemingly simple things done.
Well, not exactly, the POTUS position gobbled up power both right at WW II and right at 9/11. The US’s semi-democratic system is wide open to power grab and corruption. Nobody ever uses the fucking thing to do any good, tho
So what policies do you want?
Literally just stop the support to Israel and you win the election
I’m afraid Gen Z voters just don’t understand the American election system
Maybe they’re fucking tired of pretending they can influence anything in this rigged bullshit of a world?
Trump looses and still doesn’t get any justice in court, there is still no healthcare and minimum wage remains at 1856 levels because FoReFatHeRs of some bullshit, while jeff bezos fucks them in the ass along with their boss and landlord. Tiktok gets banned because the government doesn’t want them to laugh at „israel bad” memes and the climate still falls apart after 10-20 years.
Sure, trump wins and everything gets even worse but stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse. They simply don’t believe in their freedom anymore and it’s the fault of their country which viscously takes everything from them. Letting it go to shit might just be their form of a protest. First boomers fucked everything up for them and now they’re screaming „save us”.
Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.
Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.
Precisely why conservatives are winning. They have been working towards their goals for 40+ years and they don’t give up. They vote.
Definitely. Conservatives are seeing huge victories that have been in the making for decades, even while in minority. The overturning of Roe being the biggest of them all. They are patient and they make sure to vote every time. It’s part of the conservative culture. The liberal voting culture is the opposite. It’s flailing and inconsistent, and much of the constituency can’t even be bothered to show up on election day. There may be more Democratic leaning voters overall, but that doesn’t matter when they don’t show up to vote.
yeah and if i point this out to the 20 something leftist demo, instead of being like ‘oh yeah they win because they vote, maybe we should vote too’ they just call me facist or boring or whatever insult. the left is pathetic in terms of messaging and aligning interest groups, and general has no coherent or consistent belief structure.
i mean i used to be more leftist myself, but god it’s pathetic. i wish the left had the conviction and consistency of the right, then they’d actaully achieve something… like they did in the 60s… but you know that’s ‘history’ and the left is totally allergic to that concept as well because it’s ‘colonialism and oppression’
I’m the opposite. Used to be center-right, now I’m truly left. Trump and Covid really made me realize that these people are absolutely out there. There’s no reasoning with them. It’s all ideology, zero common sense. But they do vote consistently. That is for sure.
It’s not. The incremental change is vastly different with Biden and Trump. Biden has made tons of big and small changes that no one remembers because all the focus is on Gaza and Ukraine and Trump.
This is completely tone deaf to the things that Biden HAS been able to accomplish. I’d encourage you to research his presidency before you accept and parrot all of the bad things you hear.
To name just a few:
Unprecedented student loan debt relief
Improvements to Medicare including the ability to negotiate drug prices and capping prices of certain medications like insulin
Extremely low unemployment, just a few short years after the pandemic
Pardoning of minor federal marijuana convictions and initiated the process of having marijuana rescheduled
A push to make birth control pills available OTC without a prescription in the wake of conservative attacks on reproductive health rights
Renewed focus on infrastructure spending
Policies friendly to green energy
And that’s not mentioning the things that could have happened were it not for constant obstruction of Republicans - specifically, efforts to better protect our borders and efforts to curb gun violence.
The president is not a king or autocrat no matter how much Trump and Republicans might disagree. His policy decisions must be focused in order to make any progress at all. He can’t simply wave his hand and make everything a magical utopia.
So before you continue complaining about the lack of progress, I implore you: take ten minutes to do some Google searches about the things that are important to you and the reasons why more progress is not being made. You might be surprised at weary you learn.
It is critically important that we do not give up ground and backslide because the conservative media machine is so powerful that it makes it seem like nothing good has happened.
That individual likely isn’t going to reply. Assume maliciousness before ignorance. That said, please keep replying like this. We don’t know how big our impacts are though hopefully we are able to change a mind and correct the bad narrative trying to take hold.
Do you want to teach and encourage them to give up so quickly in the face of long-lasting international issues? That’s what you are doing and I hope they see that. This Isreal and Palestine thing did not start in October.
Please redirect your attention to election reform. Fix the system.
I’m sorry, I must be misunderstanding you. You aren’t asserting that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in Gaza started within the last 12 months, are you?
Because if you are, then I strongly encourage you to look a little bit deeper into this whole thing. It’s been going on for decades.
A ceasefire, by definition and historical example, is a temporary stopping of hostile activity. Often this is to have a chat between leaders. If we assume all ceasefires occur for peace talks clearly this one didn’t end well.
So no, this isn’t a new war. This is the same war and same set of conflicts. Though the original reasons have probably been lost with time, or evolved further into bullshit.
Lol, word it however you want, but they weren’t fighting the day before, or the week before. The fighting that we are witnessing now wouldn’t be happening if Hamas didn’t attack them on Oct. 7
stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse.
How exactly do you think a democratic election that runs on votes is supposed to work? What exactly is not voting going to do, other than ensure that the folks who are voting for the candidate that is more inclined to do more damage to this country wins?
Even if you dislike both candidates, not voting isn’t going to fix anything. Vote for whoever is least likely to destroy the country and make it hell for certain people, and then focus your efforts locally and trying to inspire change on the local level.
The joke of 2020 was people screaming about how Trump was very obviously guilty of very real crimes and we needed to get him out to prosecute him.
Then we… didn’t. Ninety-one indictments and the bulk of them have been deferred or dropped. The single remaining case in SDNY isn’t stopping him from campaigning and isn’t meaningfully threatening his ability to assume office.
Sure, trump wins and everything gets even worse but stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse.
I’m living in a city where the school district was simply taken over by the Governor. All the HISD school board elections are rendered meaningless. The superintendent is just a charter school flak who exists to dismantle public education. No democratic accountability. Outright looting of the ISD’s budget. The Feds have expressed no interest in interceding in interstate embezzlement.
And we’re told the only way to stop this is to vote. Vote for what? Nobody currently running wants to stop this dismantling of a foundational element of modern civilization. Hell, even the Dem-endorsed new Houston Mayor is just along for the ride on this shit.
If Biden and Trump really are tied among Gen Z voters, I’m afraid Gen Z voters just don’t understand the American election system. If we don’t get Biden, we get Trump, which would be infinitely worse for most of the causes they are angry with Biden on.
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What are your expectations? Biden has implemented far more policy than he gets credit for. He can’t fix everything all at once. It has taken us decades to get where we are, one presidential term is not going to be enough to right the ship.
We all have to work within the framework as it exists today - even the president. He has some challenging lines to walk just to get seemingly simple things done.
So what policies do you want? And in what ways have Biden’s progress been unacceptable to you? In what ways have they been acceptable? Given the current landscape, what do you realistically think he could or should do differently?
Well, not exactly, the POTUS position gobbled up power both right at WW II and right at 9/11. The US’s semi-democratic system is wide open to power grab and corruption. Nobody ever uses the fucking thing to do any good, tho
Literally just stop the support to Israel and you win the election
Maybe they’re fucking tired of pretending they can influence anything in this rigged bullshit of a world? Trump looses and still doesn’t get any justice in court, there is still no healthcare and minimum wage remains at 1856 levels because FoReFatHeRs of some bullshit, while jeff bezos fucks them in the ass along with their boss and landlord. Tiktok gets banned because the government doesn’t want them to laugh at „israel bad” memes and the climate still falls apart after 10-20 years.
Sure, trump wins and everything gets even worse but stop criticizing people who don’t want to vote when their promised „democracy” is terrible and even worse. They simply don’t believe in their freedom anymore and it’s the fault of their country which viscously takes everything from them. Letting it go to shit might just be their form of a protest. First boomers fucked everything up for them and now they’re screaming „save us”.
Fair enough. But running away stomping and screaming never helped anyone. This is a marathon, not a sprint. It’s incremental change. Not voting or voting for Trump will never bring about the change they are looking for.
Precisely why conservatives are winning. They have been working towards their goals for 40+ years and they don’t give up. They vote.
Definitely. Conservatives are seeing huge victories that have been in the making for decades, even while in minority. The overturning of Roe being the biggest of them all. They are patient and they make sure to vote every time. It’s part of the conservative culture. The liberal voting culture is the opposite. It’s flailing and inconsistent, and much of the constituency can’t even be bothered to show up on election day. There may be more Democratic leaning voters overall, but that doesn’t matter when they don’t show up to vote.
yeah and if i point this out to the 20 something leftist demo, instead of being like ‘oh yeah they win because they vote, maybe we should vote too’ they just call me facist or boring or whatever insult. the left is pathetic in terms of messaging and aligning interest groups, and general has no coherent or consistent belief structure.
i mean i used to be more leftist myself, but god it’s pathetic. i wish the left had the conviction and consistency of the right, then they’d actaully achieve something… like they did in the 60s… but you know that’s ‘history’ and the left is totally allergic to that concept as well because it’s ‘colonialism and oppression’
I’m the opposite. Used to be center-right, now I’m truly left. Trump and Covid really made me realize that these people are absolutely out there. There’s no reasoning with them. It’s all ideology, zero common sense. But they do vote consistently. That is for sure.
The only problem is that it’s an incremental change for the worse. No matter which geriatric asshole you vote for.
It’s not. The incremental change is vastly different with Biden and Trump. Biden has made tons of big and small changes that no one remembers because all the focus is on Gaza and Ukraine and Trump.
This is completely tone deaf to the things that Biden HAS been able to accomplish. I’d encourage you to research his presidency before you accept and parrot all of the bad things you hear.
To name just a few:
And that’s not mentioning the things that could have happened were it not for constant obstruction of Republicans - specifically, efforts to better protect our borders and efforts to curb gun violence.
The president is not a king or autocrat no matter how much Trump and Republicans might disagree. His policy decisions must be focused in order to make any progress at all. He can’t simply wave his hand and make everything a magical utopia.
So before you continue complaining about the lack of progress, I implore you: take ten minutes to do some Google searches about the things that are important to you and the reasons why more progress is not being made. You might be surprised at weary you learn.
It is critically important that we do not give up ground and backslide because the conservative media machine is so powerful that it makes it seem like nothing good has happened.
That individual likely isn’t going to reply. Assume maliciousness before ignorance. That said, please keep replying like this. We don’t know how big our impacts are though hopefully we are able to change a mind and correct the bad narrative trying to take hold.
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It’s not apathy, it’s anger! So that’s okay!
Accelerationism is such a disgustingly privileged stance.
Do you want to teach and encourage them to give up so quickly in the face of long-lasting international issues? That’s what you are doing and I hope they see that. This Isreal and Palestine thing did not start in October.
Please redirect your attention to election reform. Fix the system.
Maybe not, but this war started in October
It escalated in October but even shortly before there were regular clashes.
I’m sorry, I must be misunderstanding you. You aren’t asserting that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in Gaza started within the last 12 months, are you?
Because if you are, then I strongly encourage you to look a little bit deeper into this whole thing. It’s been going on for decades.
I’m talking about this particular war. Before October 7th, they we’re in a cease fire and it would have stayed that way if not for Hamas
A ceasefire, by definition and historical example, is a temporary stopping of hostile activity. Often this is to have a chat between leaders. If we assume all ceasefires occur for peace talks clearly this one didn’t end well.
So no, this isn’t a new war. This is the same war and same set of conflicts. Though the original reasons have probably been lost with time, or evolved further into bullshit.
Lol, word it however you want, but they weren’t fighting the day before, or the week before. The fighting that we are witnessing now wouldn’t be happening if Hamas didn’t attack them on Oct. 7
How exactly do you think a democratic election that runs on votes is supposed to work? What exactly is not voting going to do, other than ensure that the folks who are voting for the candidate that is more inclined to do more damage to this country wins?
Even if you dislike both candidates, not voting isn’t going to fix anything. Vote for whoever is least likely to destroy the country and make it hell for certain people, and then focus your efforts locally and trying to inspire change on the local level.
Hey, I’m all for an armed socialist revolution. Maybe a few guillotines.
Until we get that organized tho, you’ll just have to vote so that we can actually organize it.
The joke of 2020 was people screaming about how Trump was very obviously guilty of very real crimes and we needed to get him out to prosecute him.
Then we… didn’t. Ninety-one indictments and the bulk of them have been deferred or dropped. The single remaining case in SDNY isn’t stopping him from campaigning and isn’t meaningfully threatening his ability to assume office.
I’m living in a city where the school district was simply taken over by the Governor. All the HISD school board elections are rendered meaningless. The superintendent is just a charter school flak who exists to dismantle public education. No democratic accountability. Outright looting of the ISD’s budget. The Feds have expressed no interest in interceding in interstate embezzlement.
And we’re told the only way to stop this is to vote. Vote for what? Nobody currently running wants to stop this dismantling of a foundational element of modern civilization. Hell, even the Dem-endorsed new Houston Mayor is just along for the ride on this shit.