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    I feel bad for him. He got played out so hard trying to play the American game. Like I think he was naive and didn’t understand how fucked life actually is and the fact nothing will ever be great or secure or actually be in “order”.

    Believing there can be order and security in life is like thinking you can stop the weather for happening.

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      You’re kidding, right? He’s a rich, corrupt piece of shit. He just happened to be mayor during 911, otherwise he would just be another forgotten shitty politician.

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        I never said I agree with him or support him. I respect humanity and the infinite experiences of humanity. I feel bad he was, at some point, misled to believe his beliefs and act on them.

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          Don’t feel too bad. He’s not a child. He’s a supposedly well-educated adult who knows right from wrong. He made his choices, and now he must suffer the consequences of those choices. We as a society are not here to exonerate people like Giuliani for their self-imposed misfortunes. Save your pity for those who genuinely deserve it.

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          If you’re legit and not shitposting, or just looking for a reaction, I see where you’re trying to come from. (Namely the humanity in everyone)

          It’s nearly impossible to express, with this guy, though. No one is going to view him as someone swept along by social structures and ideologies and the circumstances of his upbringing. Or something like that.

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            Yeah, after so long. No one is going to sympathize with him. And why should we? But there was probably a time before he was a shitbag and it’s sad he got dragged down.

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      Man could’ve taken the “America’s Mayor” title from 9/11 (for literally just being mayor on 9/11. he was a trash mayor by all accounts, and got lucky.) and rode that into a Fox news commentator gig and been set. Instead he chose to hitch onto on Donald “Make Lawyers get lawyers” Trump’s wagon. Don’t feel bad for him. He’s a dumbass.

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        It’s always good to mention that he “took down” only certain criminal groups (Italian mob) while not doing anything about another (Russian mob).

        Literally since it happened people have been saying it was likely he was working for the Russians back then. Taking their info to put the Italians out of NYC and letting Russians walk in.

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          I think it’s also always good to mention that he both fucked and married his cousin.

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            Nah, this is Rudy…

            Who cares that he married his cousin?

            He hampered the response to 9/11 because he refused to move the emergency response center for years before it.

            Because he had a mistress around the block and used the emergency response center as an excuse to go see her.

            There’s too much real shit that hurt other people to talk about, no one cares that his standard for what’s not incest is a century or two behind everyone else, there’s bigger shit going on

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      Didn’t he clear out a bunch of the Italian mob (as a prosecutor) and just let the Russian move in to get a foothold? That’s not being naive (if correct and given his actions appear to be) and just being a scumbag.