• Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I used to think a bit on this line. But as I watched the rise of Trump I came to realize that most of his supporters were simply dupped by his lies, and manipulated because of human nature. Many aren’t bad people, but they honestly believe what they have been told. So thier crime is being human, and what turns out to be an average amount gullible. We really need to find a way to hold the leaders accountable.

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      6 months ago

      I’m the opposite. I believe Trump supporters are fully responsible for their own actions. If they go and kill someone, I don’t fucking care if Trump told them to do it when they had other choices. Unless these people are so mentally deficient that they’d need constant care and legal guardians to make decisions for them then they are completely capable of choosing to not be shit heads.

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        6 months ago

        Individual actions, of course. But I don’t hold them responsible for trumps administration’s actions. They were tricked and continue to be so. And society falled them long ago.

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      6 months ago

      That’s pretty much the point of banality of evil - you don’t need an extraordinary assembly of psychopaths to run a fascist regime. All it takes is a group of loud populists, generally discontent crowd and, boom, you have “make Germany great again”.

      After ww2 finished, both Germanies discovered that they don’t really have enough people without Nazi past that could run the country. So most folks just went back to work to slightly renamed workplaces.

      Does that mean they were not complicit? They were and the winners made sure Germans would learn about what they caused.

      I guess the only excuse back the was that they didn’t know better. But we do.

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        6 months ago

        Sounds like you are saying it’s the leaders and such, not the crowd. I agree. I don’t blame the rank and file for being dupped by people they were raised to trust.

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          6 months ago

          It’s the leaders but with support (both active and passive) from the crowd.

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      6 months ago

      The Israeli government knows how to hold their own accountable, read history of Zionist paramilitaries like Irgun and Lehi. Their genocidal legacy Likud is using all people in Israel, not just Jews, as human shields, exactly in the same way they accused Hamas of doing as an excuse in order to flatten Gaza on the US working taxpayer’s dime.

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      6 months ago

      Couldn’t disagree more. They’re not duped, their thrilled to take off the mask.