• WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    6 months ago

    Yeah the problem is if you want to actually win you can’t just keep saying it’s the most important election and you have to vote for us or else over and over again. People will get desensitized eventually and stop caring and then the fascists will win. You have to do good things that make people want to vote for you and judging by public opinion Biden has not been doing the best at that. (This isn’t how I feel, I’m still gonna vote for him to stop Trump and I think people should vote for Biden. I’m just saying why average people who aren’t this dialed into politics aren’t gonna keep voting and that will be the downfall of Biden.)

    • Todd Bonzalez@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      10
      ·
      6 months ago

      Well, they don’t “just” keep saying it, it’s just a thing that Democrats say sometimes that far-left children like to fixate on like its the only thing being said. There have been numerous well reasoned arguments this election cycle for voting for Biden, if for some reason you were in a coma from 2017-2020 and don’t have any frame of reference for what we’re up against.

      There are millions of reasons (every undocumented immigrant that Trump wants to genocide, for starters) that you should vote for Biden in November. I’m tired of people being reductive and acting like the situation isn’t dire right now. Anyone with a functioning brain should be in agreement about, of the options we have, which one we should take.

      Biden, despite his many flaws, has done more for the working class than any president in my lifetime. The people on the left pretending that there’s no compelling reason to vote for him are fucking morons, especially those who insist that Trump is somehow the same.

      and that will be the downfall of Biden

      Just remember, when Trump wins like you want him to, and Fascism takes over, just like history books today point the finger quite deservedly at apathetic Germans who let the Nazis win, future generations are going to point their fingers at the likes of people like you, who decided that Trump wasn’t worth defeating - and there’s literally only one way we keep him out of the White House next year.

      • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        6 months ago

        I literally said that none of that was how I personally felt. It’s just observations I’ve made from looking at polls and talking to people who are less engaged in politics. I’m still voting for Biden and want him to win. I’m just giving reasons how Biden currently isn’t doing good among voters who are getting fatigued with the whole “most important election ever” rhetoric. And yes there are other issues the Democrats use for messaging like abortion which is a very popular point but on more recent issues like the war in Gaza (which he looks bad on no matter what side of the issue you’re on) he has been loosing support from younger voters which are a pretty key demographic if he wants to win. Then there’s the economy which even though everyone is saying it’s doing better most people I talk to are still spending more than before and wages haven’t gone up to match and plenty of people I know are struggling to get jobs after mass layoffs at various tech companies. These aren’t the kinds of things that might make someone vote for Trump but instead just check out of politics cause either option things are still gonna get worse. And on a final note people like you who immediately accuse anyone who criticizes Biden of wanting Trump to win aren’t helping, you just make the Biden side look crazy like the Trump side. I can want Biden to win to not have Trump in office while still criticizing Biden and wanting him to do better.

      • DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        6 months ago

        Just remember when you vote for a Genocide Joe you support genocide no matter how much you cry about Trump.

        • khornechips
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          Harm reduction. Read about it, or have someone with more than two brain cells explain it to you.

          • DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            6 months ago

            Lots of you orange cats already spouting it on here. It’s still voting for genocide no matter how you dress it up. You are the baddie.

            • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              6 months ago

              The problem with people like you is that there are no gray areas. Everything is black or white.

              There’s pros and cons to each candidate and I hate to tell you there are more pros with Biden than there are cons compared to any other available candidate. Albeit the con is pretty major.

              But I think Biden is pretty fucking pissed at Netanyahu. They’re just playing politics at this point. But deep down he hates the guy.