• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    6 months ago

    The largest current of leftists aren’t saying you cannot vote for Biden, and that you should vote third party, but that ultimately change comes from outside the electoral system.

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      6 months ago

      Unfortunately unless a revolution falls into our laps and magically solves all our problems, the modicum of control we have over the steering of this ship is limited to voting and advocating for others to vote

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        6 months ago

        Revolution isn’t magical, it’s the boiling point for society as material conditions decay. It may seem impossible when you’re living in it, but eventually the material conditions will reach a point where revolution will occur.

        This is painfully obvious for those who have read and agree with Marx’s analysis of Capitalism. A quick into text is Wage Labor and Capital. Capitalism is fundamentally unsustainable and cannot continue to exist forever. International Imperialism has made this last far longer, but society develops alongside technology, and eventually the global south will throw off the global north.

        Therefore, whether you are an Anarchist, or Marxist, it remains important not to simply wait for a Revolution, but to build up parallel structures, parties, groups, organizations of mutual aid, and so forth, to help guide along the revolutionary movement and gain trust in existing leftist structures. Unionization is huge for this as well.

        Voting is good, sure, but will never bring about positive change, merely delay decay.

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      6 months ago

      Not the point. Trump needs to be defeated, and the way we’re going to do that is voting for Biden. There’s no other way. It’s not going to happen. You are absolutely deluded if you think there is another way.

      After we fend off the Trump bullshit, then, yes, we have to make actual change to push us much further left. I don’t get how all the ultra-leftists cannot fathom this simple fact.

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        6 months ago

        After we fend off the Trump bullshit, then, yes, we have to make actual change to push us much further left.

        That was the lie in 2020 and it didn’t fucking happen. Now Biden is supporting genocide and we still gotta vote for him.

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          6 months ago

          Because Trump is still a fucking threat, you assclown. His cronies are still in office. We are going to have to keep fighting this fight where it needs to be fought, then when that fight is done, THEN we push to the actual left. Is this so goddamn fucking hard for you “LOL DONT VOTE BIDEN SO TRUMP CAN BE PRESIDENT AGAIN” fucktwaddlers to understand?