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Cool trick, do houses and rent next.
That would require having both houses of Congress in favor of spending significant amounts of money. The Republicans control one, so it’s not happening this cycle.
the same has been proven true when democrats control the house, the senate, and the presidency.
They actually did a whole lot when they had absolute-minimum majorities in 2020-2021. Just not on spending for housing — a couple of the Democratic Senators were bought off and opposed to it.
a couple of the Democratic Senators were bought off and opposed to it
as will happen the next time around we get leftists to vote for a center-right establishment candidate, but it’s also proven that that requires the far-right establishment candidate to be considerably worse than the center-right establishment candidate that we have now.
i suspect that the democrats are going to lurch further to right if trump wins this election, as the latest polls suggest; making the difference between both establishment candidates harder to discern and, thus, guaranteeing that leftists will continue to have a weak showing on election day due to even more reduced meaningful outreach from either rightist candidate.
That’s not the underlying problem — it’s that we’ve got a Senate structured in a way which favors the right-wing parts of the country, and a population which isn’t voting for left-of-center candidates with the kind of overwhelming (think 75%) majority that it takes to reshape the country.
most of our houses already run on electricity.
hrmm
They’re working on it. Give it a couple years and rent will be an average of $55,000, just like new EVs.
Electric vehicles were always supposed to be cheaper than ICEs. They’re just giant batteries. All the sophistication is in the software which is trivial to reproduce.
And I honestly don’t want most of it. I just want something to get me to work and back. I don’t need a big screen with lots of doodads, I just need to know charge level and whatnot. I don’t even need to find charging stations, I’ll just charge at home.
Make a stripped down, simple EV for cheap and I’ll probably get it.
I was referring more to the battery management software.
Ah, ok. I thought you were talking about the AI features, fancy cameras, etc that cars ship with these days.
And humans haven’t found a way to make good batteries, to date
Get back to me when an EV is released that doesn’t require an Electrical Engineering degree to do any work on it, doesn’t require $1M+ in manufacturer’s diagnostic hardware for every tiny issue, doesn’t have DRM that locks the vehicle down after any manufacturer-unapproved work, and which doesn’t upload gigabytes of my driving metrics for the manufacturer to monetize without my permission or knowledge.
About the only chance I currently have for any of this is to convert a classic car.
i’d be cool with those things if i could get one of those awesome $10k byd’s; but they’re banned in my country due to new protectionist laws.
paying 2x as much for an older tesla that still has these problem feels like a bad idea; but i know plenty of people who are tesla fan boys who wouldn’t be able to afford a tesla otherwise.
it looks like i’m going to hang onto my 15 year old car for another 15 years until ev’s in this country costs the same as they do everywhere else in the world.
Its the cheap Chinese cars that are still in the running for cheaper even with 100% tariff. Suddenly they don’t have to make 5000% percent profit.
Did you just make this up? Because that’s not at all what this article says, and Chinese EVs are a puny crumb of the US car market right now
They are a threat to sales. Biden signed a 100% tariff on Chinese EV’s. Even at 100% some are still are cheaper than US EV’s.
Ok, but Chinese EVs are barely even on the market in the US right now and are not going to influence prices given their limited volume. Prices are going down due to the factors listed on the article, not due to hypothetical competition
They can see it coming and be sure it is. Some people try to get ahead of a problem. Most just sit around in bewilderment until it arrives.
Whatever you’re talking about right now, it has nothing to do with actual EV prices in the US today
It’s nice to see us reaching a tipping point where the market forces are no longer pushing so hard away from EVs. And it provides a good, texbook example, of the government stepping in to promote a better technology, until that technology can be fully competitive on it’s own.
It’s nice to see, but $40k is still a rich-man’s market. I’ve never paid more that $12k for a vehicle, and that was a fully-loaded SUV. No I do not buy anything new, and until there are enough used EVs to reach the $6000 market you still won’t see a significant number of them replacing older vehicles. I also tend to have high standards – my first car (a 1974 Pontiac) was driven for 24 years and over 300k miles. That was replaced by the mentioned SUV which I’ve now driven for 15 years and have no real problems with (I do need to replace the upholstery on the front seats soon). How do EV’s rate for reliability so far?
What happened with the chip shortage is that the automakers shifted to fancier trims and making fewer vehicles at higher prices. All new cars became outrageously expensive.
It’s nice to see, but $40k is still a rich-man’s market. I’ve never paid more that $12k for a vehicle … How do EV’s rate for reliability so far?
brand new ev’s outside the united states cost $10k now (more with tariffs) and i’m wondering how much longevity matters at this price point; especially if that price point is lower for a used one.
i live in the united states and we have the a 100% tariff on new ev’s and even with that it’s still cheaper than any american ev; but i don’t want to pay $20k for something that has little supporting infrastructure (gladly for $10k) so i too will be keeping my 15 year old car longer.
Wow $10k for brand new is really amazing… Yeah they’re definitely bending us over here in the US.
and we love it that way so much we’re going to vote in the same people who are doing it to us. lol
Well you can vote for Republicans, who continue to pass bills that block renewables and promote a reliance on fossil fuels, or you can vote for Democrats who at least try to pass bills to support our chance at a future. Yeah there are some who have crossed the aisle, but these are the policies of the vast majority of each party.
the president blocked your access to a brand new $10k ev and guess which party he belongs to. ;)
Show me the $10k EVs that were available in the US before that bill went through.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
market has hit an inflection point,” said Randy Parker, chief executive of Hyundai Motor America, which will begin producing electric vehicles at a factory in Georgia by the end of the year.
Even if Republicans gain control of the White House and Congress and follow through on promises to dismantle electric vehicle subsidies, they may not be able to undo the market forces pushing down prices.
Electric cars, sales of which have slowed in recent months, are still more expensive than gasoline models, costing an average of $55,252 in the United States in April, according to estimates by Kelley Blue Book.
High prices and the fear of not being able to find a place to recharge are the two biggest reasons people hesitate to buy an electric vehicle, surveys show.
Manufacturing costs are dropping as traditional carmakers, who were slow to sell electric vehicles, start to apply their decades of experience with mass production to the new technology.
But costs will come down as companies learn how to produce the cars more efficiently, Mr. Biswas said — for example, by eliminating rare minerals from electric motors or replacing copper wiring with aluminum.
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Chargers may be found at plugshare.com. L1 and L2 chargers is as simple as plugging a charging cable into a 120v or 240v socket.
EVs become more attractive when the renting class can own them—not just homeowners. Almost no rental housing option or even condos offer the facilities to charge.
What’s the used market like? Can I buy a 10 year old EV and expect it to.last as long or longer than a 10 year old/ICEV?
We don’t have the electrical infrastructure to handle the extra load. We barely have enough capacity for the additional a/c units in hot climates. Just look at Texas and California’s power outages and brownouts.
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