• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Well then, I guess I’ll be making history as the first time ever that drawing a red line against genocide was the wrong position.

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      5 months ago

      And that’ll stop it. Right? You do nothing, and it doesn’t happen. Because otherwise you’re just jerking off.

      While ignoring that the other candidate wants to end democracy.

      The part where he tried to overthrow democracy seems kind of important to your plans of voting for the most perfectest candidate ever, who has no evils whatsoever.

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        5 months ago

        Haven’t we been over this multiple times at this point? I don’t subscribe to your lesser-evilist ideology. I never have, and now it’s more clearly a failed idea than ever, in light of the fact that it’s led people to support genocide. I’m not interested in whataboutisms regarding Trump, who I’m also not voting for.

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          And I calling out how your self-congratulatory inaction is amoral apathy parading as moral superiority. Welcome to the conversation.

          My ideology will not make a difference in what Israel is doing. Neither will yours.

          Your ideology will not make a difference in whether America ever has another election. Mine will.

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            “Amoral!” Opposition to genocide is “amoral” now! Fascinating.

            It’s very funny that you talk about “preserving democracy” while simultaneously lecturing me about how that very “democracy” is conducting a genocide and giving people no option to oppose it. Doesn’t sound very much like a democracy to me.

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              Inaction is not meaningful opposition.

              You’re not actually doing anything, to stop that. You’re just sneering on the internet about how hard you’re gonna do nothing.

              Voting to stop one problem is still important even if it doesn’t stop all problems. Or even another specific really horrible problem. But if you cannot stop that, maybe you should do something about the parts you can stop. Yeah? Otherwise you’re not taking a meaningful stance on any problem. You’re doing nothing. You are letting all of those problems happen.

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                5 months ago

                Doing nothing is still better than doing a bad thing, such as supporting genocide.

                I feel like you’re still not quite grasping that I simply do not believe in lesser-evilist ideology. Making appeals to me based on that framework is a waste of time.

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                  5 months ago

                  I feel like you don’t know what criticism of your beliefs looks like. I know what you think - I am explaining why it’s dangerous nonsense.

                  Inaction doesn’t change what you’re complaining about. So voting for Biden is not making anything worse, on that front - the problem exists regardless. What it supports, what it changes, is the continued existence of American democracy.

                  Do you ever want to vote for anything else, ever again?

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                    Do you ever want to vote for anything else, ever again?

                    Oh, not particularly. Not if my choices are as limited and meaningless as they have been my entire life. If I can’t vote against genocide, then being able to vote isn’t worth very much at all. It’s basically just getting to pick a face, if every serious decision is simply decided without voter input, then it seems like kind of a waste of time.

                    But really, this whole “end democracy” line is overblown regardless. He was already president once and didn’t end it then.