Okay, so what’s the plan?
Well, I’ve read a lot of theory, and I’m pretty sure our best bet is posting memes online, crossing our fingers, and hoping for the best. We definitely shouldn’t go outside and talk to people, that’ll never work
Communism would have taken hold in 19th Century Germany if the Rheinische Zeitung had a meme section
Maybe get a beret? But will it look weird if I wear a beret with my Che Guevara t-shirt?
Revive Lenin and have some stroke medication on hand?
Sounds like a fun and comfy gathering
Get everyone in the retirement home to sign the petition
Gam-Gam is fucking done with them bouegeois pigs
Slippin’ Lenin gets the goods.
K-On!
Post-revolutionary Tea Time
Hell yeah
I’m a socialist but this needs the obligatory:
“Fuck Lenin™”
So you are a bad socialist
Marx is the theory , Lenin is the practice
Marx wasn’t the only socialist of his time, though history has deemed him certainly the most important.
Lenin on the other hand…
Nothing about the theory required Lenin to overthrow the results of a democratic election in 1917
Nothing about the theory required Lenin to backstab and crush his anarchist allies in Ukraine.
Nothing about the theory required Lenin crushing anarchism/syndicalism in Russia.
Nothing about the theory required Lenin banning all dissent even within the Communist party.
By the time of Lenins death, he had put in place all the institutions and levers of control that Stalin would later use to brutalize the population, all the worst parts of the Great Purge can be connected back to the systems that Lenin put in place.
Lenin had immense opportunities for positive change as the leader of the first socialist nation, however he squandered it completely by his purge of any ideals that weren’t his own, and his project turned into a dictatorship. Meanwhile the Democratic Socialists and Anarchists that Lenin loved to berate helped build societies that are now infinitely better to live in and more open to change from the working class than any of the modern countries inspired by his ideology.
You can say “Marx is the theory , Lenin is the practice” but it’s much more accurate to say, Marx is the theory, Lenin is a practice, and not the best one historically.
Lenin may not be the one who best (in your opinion) applied real Marxism, but you cannot deny that he was on of its greatest exponents
Peace between us, war on the bourgeoisie, comrade
but you cannot deny that he was on of its greatest exponents
While the revolution was a great propaganda victory for Socialists globally, almost every group that sprung up inspired by the revolution later became controlled by Moscow.
For example, the communists in my home country, the Communist Party of the USA, were summoned to Moscow by Stalin and had their more anarchist/democratic leaning factions purged, with some even being arrested and kept in Moscow till they died. The amount of control that Stalin and the Comintern had on international communism lead to repeated purges of more democratic/less Authoritarian socialists and basically ensured that Stalinist/Marxist Leninist Socialism was the only type allowed to flourish in any form for most of the cold war.
I certainly couldn’t predict what would’ve changed had the Russian Revolution been more democratic/pluralist, or had a more democratic revolution inspired the last century of global Socialism, but I at least believe that Socialism wouldn’t face the uphill “Gulags, Famine, Stalin, Mao” battle that it currently does.
Peace between us, war on the bourgeoisie, comrade
I would love nothing more than a united left, but it’s more the actions of Marxist Leninist inspired governments after their revolutions, (Universal banning of non-Leninist Socialists, Universal banning of pluralist socialist democracy, Yugoslav’s Split, 1956, and 1968) that makes me bash against ML’s. It’s hard to trust talk of leftist unity when the history of Leninism has involved the crushing of any other form of leftism since its inception.
“Peace between us until the MLs get into power and then I’ll have you look towards that wall.”
Planning the murder of 500,000 people
landlords and foreign imperialists are not people.
dehumanization of the other
Whooooah there buddy.
would somebody PLEASE think of the leeches and colonial mass murderers
Ah, yes, all societies and situations are homogeneous I forgot.
Besides that, people deserve to die for playing by the rules of the system in which we live? Why not change the rules to prevent abuse?
Clown
you liberals are such fuckig morons, its unbelievable.
i suppose, according to you the slaves of haiti should have simply forgiven the slavers, since they were “playing by the rules”. this institutionality fetish of yours is the same excuse fascists use to justify their crimes. “the untermenschen werent playing by the rules.”
please read theory. especially engels, lenin and mao.
I do read theory. I just know theory isnt the be all end all of understanding the world. If it was, that would be great, but you just happen to agree with this guys philosophical musings. Besides that, you call me a liberal when I’m literally not but whatever.
You’re arguing with an imaginary friend and a beautiful strawman opinion you made for him to hold.
I never said anything about Haiti, but comparing anybody living in a first world country (the vast majority of this site’s users and where such a revolution is more likely to take place) to a slave is disingenuous at absolute best.
I also don’t think that Dessalines needed to massacre the remaining french people on the island. I’m willing to bet I have a better und3rstanding of the haitian revolution than you. You know they reinstated slavery within a couple of years, right? Read some Trouillot.
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Isn’t the context about the overthrow of the Russian Empire by communist revolutionaries? Not modern first-worlders? Am I missing something here? Why would “foreign imperialists” be relevant to modern first-worlders?
That being said, to actually answer your line of questioning, it is the correct solution to change society while ALSO overthrowing and locking up the oppressors. That may involve the elite dying, but those deaths are necessary. Peaceful reformism and strict nonviolence policies never works – unless you consider extremely high amounts of unnecessary suffering for innocents to achieve comparatively minor goals as “success” (cough cough Nelson Mandela). Even Gandhi and MLK (who took most of his influence from Gandhi), although nonviolence advocates, were well aware that violence is often necessary to achieve a better future, and much of the work they did was to the benefit of violent/militant revolutionaries (although of course they’re portrayed a lot more neutered/“deradicalized”, as well as the roles of complete compliance to nonviolence being completely overstated while violent methods are hidden away as if they didn’t exist, not even to be mentioned).
After capture though, death pentalty is not the way to go, but life imprisonment is fine and they may have a chance to be released later, mostly depending on their status/loyalty. I’m sure a lot of “revolutionaries” would disagree with me though, but I’m not an “eye for an eye” believer… I suppose if you’re in a situation where the former imperialist rulers would likely have power to directly cause damage while detained or incarcerated, or they’re likely to escape or be “rescued”, then it would be justified to chop off their heads or put a bullet in their cranium.
The core issue is that these people (the oppressors/ruling class) can not be rehabilitated, and are likely to stir up considerable trouble and disrupt when they have the opportunity, either in a bid to regain their power, or out of a large feeling of loss that makes them go nuts. You can’t always reasonably ensure that they won’t try to fuck shit up in the future.
That’s just my view, but of course there are people other than me who are just bloodthirsty for vengeance (my opinion is that they’re not thinking all too rationally and it’s the same mindset as parents that hit/yell at their kids, they’re convincing themselves it’s for the greater good but in reality it’s just attempting to satisfy their feelings of anger). Either way, I see their lives as considerably less valuable than the lives of the people they oppressed, not because they have an inherently evil soul or something, but because they are already too far gone and only can bring chaos to the world.
Just
for a classless society, you fool, you absolute baffoon.
🤡We live in bourgeois “democracies,” which were formed from bourgeois revolutions. These states weren’t created to represent us, and they never have and never will. The rules of the system can’t be reformed into socialism, because the bourgeoisie will never allow it. They would sooner unleash fascism on us (again in the case of Europe) than relinquish ownership of the means of production.
Rosa Luxemburg, 1900: Reform or Revolution
Oh god this meme is disgusting
I know! If it said “Friends, cake, tea” it would rhyme
that does work better :)
Not as disgusting as
Oh, now it’s okay to vote for a lesser evil?
Are you lost? The revolution will not be won by ballot.
Name one time in history where the capitalist class accepted a vote to dismantle themselves. It has never happened and very likely never will. They’ll unleash fascism upon the working class if need be to maintain their position.
I agree, that’s why Russia needs another.
Why?
Because of lenin, i hate this guy
Why?
Because he was the one of the many russians who was destroying my countrie’s culture and economy
