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    This sort of disingenuousness is the reason I had to scream at you for 30 comments to get you approach the topic at all reasonably. If you’re going to go back to blatant bad faith like that, we can go back to screaming at each other.

    Yes, this joke is about Spiderman insofar as it contains a reference to Spiderman, it’s about Hexbear insofar as it contains a reference to Hexbear, and it’s about trans suicide insofar as it contains a reference to trans suicide. I already cited the definition of the word “about” so stop pretending you don’t know how language works.

    Does liking a meme mean advocating everything it includes? I never said it, despite your false claim that I did. But I would say that it means you don’t find anything particularly objectionable about it. You don’t find anything objectionable about a meme format referencing Spiderman, you don’t find anything objectionable about using trans suicide as a punchline, etc.

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      This sort of disingenuousness is the reason I had to scream at you for 30 comments to get you approach the topic at all reasonably. If you’re going to go back to blatant bad faith like that, we can go back to screaming at each other.

      Lol, not quite. I had to turn your series of "no u"s back at you for 30 comments to get you so say anything but “no u”.

      I agree you were screaming it quite incessantly though.

      Yes, this joke is about Spiderman insofar as it contains a reference to Spiderman, it’s about Hexbear insofar as it contains a reference to Hexbear, and it’s about trans suicide insofar as it contains a reference to trans suicide. I already cited the definition of the word “about” so stop pretending you don’t know how language works.

      The joke does not concern Spiderman. Spiderman is not the subject of the joke. Your own definition says you’re wrong.

      Does liking a meme mean advocating everything it includes? I never said it, despite your false claim that I did.

      You accused me of advocating for killing trans people because the meme includes mention of trans suicide. So yes, you absolutely did.

      Talk about disingenuousness.

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        You accused me of advocating for killing trans people because the meme includes mention of trans suicide. So yes, you absolutely did

        No, I accused you of telling trans people to kill ourselves because that’s how I interpreted the meme. See, I had interpreted it a different, more generous way, that it wasn’t about telling trans people to kill ourselves and was instead about, “characterizing someone calling for abstention from the US political process as equivalent to telling trans people to kill themselves.” You kept telling me that that interpretation was wrong, without giving any explanation of how or why, so I was left to come up with another interpretation, so I instead settled on the interpretation that it was encouraging trans people to kill ourselves. If my first interpretation was correct, then you shouldn’t have said it was wrong.

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          See, I had interpreted it a different, more generous way, that it wasn’t about telling trans people to kill ourselves and was instead about, “characterizing someone calling for abstention from the US political process as equivalent to telling trans people to kill themselves.” You kept telling me that that interpretation was wrong, without giving any explanation of how or why, so I was left to come up with another interpretation, so I instead settled on the interpretation that it was encouraging trans people to kill ourselves.

          Blatantly false.

          Yet you accuse me of bad faith.

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            Well, I’m just a dumb idiot tankie who can’t understand these complex, esoteric memes, just like you said. Without your brilliant superior guidance to explain it to me, I was lost, adrift, and befuddled. I just saw the words “trans suicide” and assumed the meme was praising it, because I’m such a dum-dum, just like you said. So you see, from my point of view, it was totally correct to say that you were telling trans people to kill ourselves.

            If you don’t like it, then next time don’t fucking condescend to me, and if you think I’m wrong explain how and why.

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              Its funny that mine is a parent comment, so this is all really about your fragile little tankie ego.

              You couldn’t resist throwing the petulant little tantrum you always do.

              Shouldn’t you be out advocating for Biden to lose to Trump somewhere?

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                Lol, you mean your parent comment throwing a tantrum because trans people objected to a meme using trans suicide as a joke? Yes, I responded to that, and when you doubled down and acted like a prick, it pissed me off, as transphobia generally does.

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                  using trans suicide as a joke

                  And there it is. The reveal that its nothing but shallow pearl-clutching and ignorance of context.

                  it pissed me off, as transphobia generally does.

                  Oh look, back to calling me a transphobe for supporting a joke against transphobes.

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                    There’s no “reveal,” I’ve been clearly expressing my position the whole time. But it’s ok, no one expects you to be smart enough to understand it.

                    I’m sorry that you think handling certain topics with sensitivity means, “shallow pearl-clutching.” I suppose you think it’s fine to make jokes about rape too - excuse me, jokes referencing rape.