Important context: This was an instance of a crowd crush caused by poor crowd control.

edit: action has now been taken against the offending comment :)

(also some of you guys in the comments here have been yoinked by mods too… just be nice? this post was not an invitation to test out your boundaries)

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link to post in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/10965360

  • Themadbeagle@lemm.ee
    47·
    5 months ago

    Something that always gets me is when people lump in anti-religion with these others. Reglion in any country with freedom of religion is a choice, these other things are not. Someone doesn’t choose to be a particular ethnic group. Someone doesn’t choose to be disabled. People don’t choose to be gay or have gender dysphoria People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can’t call them out. If you can tell me I am burning in hell because I don’t believe in your pie man in the sky then I can tell you that you are stupid for believing in a pie man in the sky and comment on absurd actions that are caused by those beliefs.

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      15·
      5 months ago

      telling someone they are going to burn in hell for their religion/atheism would also be anti-religious and should be treated as such :)

    • Taleya@aussie.zone
      5·
      5 months ago

      Yeah nah.

      You don’t tell them they’re stupid for faith. You point out that the bullshit they’re spouting is explicitly stated by their pie man in the sky to be the real express road straight to hell. Much more fun.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
        6·
        5 months ago

        Like for instance every conservative Christian politician who was piously sworn in on the Bible, despite Jesus himself saying not to swear by anything and calling the practice demonic. By their own stated belief system they are inaugurating their public office with a satanic ritual.

        This isn’t some obscure passage either, it’s in the Sermon on the Mount, one of the most famous scenes in the entire Bible. Anyone who swears on the Bible in any capacity clearly doesn’t take it seriously enough to know anything about what it says.

        And the alternative given to swearing oaths is just like… idk, maybe be honest in general, guys?

    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
      4·
      5 months ago

      People do choose to believe in things that I think are ridiculous and saying that I cannot call that out is just religious people saying you can’t call them out.

      And what value does your calling them out add to the discussion? Does it lead to an interesting nuanced conversation? Or is it immediately just people insulting each other while saying nothing other than “you’re wrong”?

      If it never leads to useful or interesting discussion and only leads to flame wars and arguments then it should be banned.

      • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
        6·
        5 months ago

        To the extent of “what does calling out anyone for anything lead to an interesting nuanced discussion” so should we ban calling people out?

        Ultimately it’s ambiguous and we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere, but it’s reasonable for people to disagree where to draw that line.

      • fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee
        51·
        5 months ago

        Calling out irrational religious belief helps remove that pollution from the zeitgeist. It helps take damaging, incorrect beliefs out of important decision-making processes.

    • Norah - She/They@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      1·
      5 months ago

      Except, it often isn’t a choice? Especially for women? Most people are born with their religion chosen for them. There are also clearly deeply ingrained universal drives that push humans to religious beliefs as well. Otherwise we wouldn’t see them across civilisations on every continent, from antiquity to the modern day.