Im plenty critical of militant vegans, but thats a bit unfair. Industrial ranching is a big contributor to climate change, theres a well-reasoned argument I see alot
I mean the difference is that concrete has a function and is largely irreplaceable. The argument most vegans make is that animals are not functionally needed in order to fulfill the “food” requirement of living. Concrete is, by large, used for houses and structures which provide shelter, and there are no viable alternatives.
For sure, but that applies to literally everything - decarbonization of the energy grid/moving away from gas is a huge factor for literally every aspect of life, particularly farming and red meat. The energy involved in creating meat is significantly higher than any other foods, which is why I disagreed with your point. We have an alternative for meat, but there isnt one for concrete. Using it as a comparison is a poor argument.
Arguing that conditionally essential amino acids are not found elsewhere is a misleading argument. In addition to the fact that all of those three can be created by your body, Taurine is found in lentils, a staple of many vegan diets, seaweed can contain creatine, and carnitine can be found in trace amounts in most foods. None of them are as dense as meat, for sure, but there are numerous sources, plus supplements.
To reduce the environmental impact of food, which applies to all food and not just meat, we need to accept the idea of not having excess of everything. We don’t need 5 different cuts of meat from 3 different brands. We don’t need 5 different kinds of apples. We don’t need a whole shopping isle filled with… Goodness knows how many different kinds of cereal.
Definitely agree with this, but its probably just as hard a sell, and much less feasible to do on an individual level.
The problem there is people in cities could not do it, in many cities it’s illegal or not feasible to raise chickens or goats, or to hunt or even trap.
I don’t think most of those people are going to go for that rule, you’d likely have black market agriculture happening, and that hasn’t been working so well for drugs these days. Gonna get turkey laced with fent and shit lol. Good luck with that though!
Well that’s the thing, you’d rather it be willy nilly and the government doesn’t allow that currently. Can’t hunt in cities, can only hunt X amount of deer for conservation purposes, etc. If you’re fine with hunting/butchering (as long as it’s not sold) and think otherwise meat consumption should be illegal that means you think more people should hunt or butcher their own food. This would more aptly be described as “willy nilly” than the much smaller number of current butchers and hunters that people are able to buy from. Frankly it seems less “willy nilly” to have only a small number of farms as big as factories producing all the food for everyone.
… What? Humans are made of meat. As far a I’ve read, they’re fairly delicious, too. Eating carnivores is also fine.
Now, if you’re trying to only eat the safest, most energy efficient forms of meat, don’t eat people or carnivores. But just in terms of the nutrients contained within, meat is meat.
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Im plenty critical of militant vegans, but thats a bit unfair. Industrial ranching is a big contributor to climate change, theres a well-reasoned argument I see alot
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I mean the difference is that concrete has a function and is largely irreplaceable. The argument most vegans make is that animals are not functionally needed in order to fulfill the “food” requirement of living. Concrete is, by large, used for houses and structures which provide shelter, and there are no viable alternatives.
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For sure, but that applies to literally everything - decarbonization of the energy grid/moving away from gas is a huge factor for literally every aspect of life, particularly farming and red meat. The energy involved in creating meat is significantly higher than any other foods, which is why I disagreed with your point. We have an alternative for meat, but there isnt one for concrete. Using it as a comparison is a poor argument.
Arguing that conditionally essential amino acids are not found elsewhere is a misleading argument. In addition to the fact that all of those three can be created by your body, Taurine is found in lentils, a staple of many vegan diets, seaweed can contain creatine, and carnitine can be found in trace amounts in most foods. None of them are as dense as meat, for sure, but there are numerous sources, plus supplements.
Definitely agree with this, but its probably just as hard a sell, and much less feasible to do on an individual level.
Fair point>
They said: anyone
That’s very different from a specific complaint about factory farming and industrial ranching
Humans need their factory meat. Even back in the stone ages
So you’re fine with hunting and small scale agriculture I take it?
I’d be fine with there being a rule that you can only kill/eat what you’ve raised yourself. No selling.
I think that would make a lot of people think twice, if the taste is worth the effort.
The problem there is people in cities could not do it, in many cities it’s illegal or not feasible to raise chickens or goats, or to hunt or even trap.
No one is forcing them to live in a concrete prison.
I mean I agree, I prefer rural. I’m told however that nobody else does and that is why cities exist.
fair
Exactly.
I don’t think most of those people are going to go for that rule, you’d likely have black market agriculture happening, and that hasn’t been working so well for drugs these days. Gonna get turkey laced with fent and shit lol. Good luck with that though!
It could easily be law. I can definitely see governments “revoking” people’s “freedom” to kill animals willy-nilly.
Well that’s the thing, you’d rather it be willy nilly and the government doesn’t allow that currently. Can’t hunt in cities, can only hunt X amount of deer for conservation purposes, etc. If you’re fine with hunting/butchering (as long as it’s not sold) and think otherwise meat consumption should be illegal that means you think more people should hunt or butcher their own food. This would more aptly be described as “willy nilly” than the much smaller number of current butchers and hunters that people are able to buy from. Frankly it seems less “willy nilly” to have only a small number of farms as big as factories producing all the food for everyone.
To each their own I guess.
I agree. The sooner we switch to a partial cannibalistic diet the sooner we can settle this. There, I’ve confused everyone.
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Fuck I love having materials from other lifeforms inside of me
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… What? Humans are made of meat. As far a I’ve read, they’re fairly delicious, too. Eating carnivores is also fine.
Now, if you’re trying to only eat the safest, most energy efficient forms of meat, don’t eat people or carnivores. But just in terms of the nutrients contained within, meat is meat.