you don’t get it do you? You aren’t even vegan and you think you know how to do it all. You are so selfish and self absorbed, their lives aren’t real to you.
I think I know marketing better than you, yes. Because that’s the industry that I work in. Marketing is all about persuasion, and bluntly, vegans like you do a really shitty job at marketing the idea of being vegan, and a shitty job of persuading people to be vegan. Shame and guilt don’t sell a product or an idea; they cause resentment.
You’re acting like the Westboro Baptist Church; you’re telling everyone that isn’t already in your group how awful they are, and using the most offensive terms you can come up with to do so. Just like the WBC, you’re absolutely convinced that your way is the only morally correct way. But you aren’t actually bringing people to your moral cause; you’re pushing them away. If you want to push people away so that you can feel self-righteous, then sure, keep doing what you’re doing.
…But if you want to persuade people, if you actually want people to change, then maybe look into what actually works.
Do you want to make it important to me, if I’m not currently motivated to make it important to myself? If you do want to make it important to me, then how are you going to do it? Do you think that calling me the worst slurs that you can come up with is going to make me desire to change, or do you think that it’s going to make me angry and resentful towards you and the cause that you’re trying to champion? What do you think would be the most effective way to change my opinion of vaganism and of vegans, and make me desire to be a vegan?
Allow me to suggest a book that I think you might find to be useful. I’m going to assume that you have good intentions, and that you want to change the world in a way that you believe would be positive. That’s great! This might help you to find a more effective way to do it, so you can reach more people. Are you familiar with concepts of street epistemology? Many of the same concepts apply when you’re trying to persuade people.
If you don’t have any desire to make veganism important to other people, why not?
omg you’re so fucking cringe. You’re so outraged that people you think are wrong and dumb do-gooders wasting time caring about mere things are being rude to you. When all you’ve done is come into a joke community and told them:
they’re wrong and dumb
you have no intention of ever aligning with them
you love killing animals and see no problem with it
they’re doing it wrong
that you’re writing pages about how wrong and dumb we are and don’t we know how to be less wrong and dumb?
“the worst slurs” just go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw you self important, society-ruining, self-centred, flint-hearted, black-souled, moron. The world does not cater to you, you are not important.
I’m saying that you are one of the people most hostile to veganism and will never be convinced so fawning over you is stupid.
If you wanted vegans to succeed and build a world without cages you would be vegan. you don’t, you want us to fail. you don’t want to be told what you’re doing is wrong and you most certainly don’t want to be forced to avoid animal products by law so… why would anyone spend any time on you?
If you wanted vegans to succeed and build a world without cages you would be vegan
Do you think that if vegans wanted vegans to succeed they would do more outreach to people that aren’t vegans? Or do you think that everyone should convert on their own?
Let me put it this way: if every single person that you knew that, for instance, played Warhammer 40K was verbally abusive to anyone that didn’t play Warhammer 40K, and gaming stores threw people out that were just curious, how interested would you be in playing Warhammer? How would you feel about the players? Would you have a positive or negative impression of the game, regardless of the merits of the game?
When you are verbally abusive to someone that you perceive to be your enemy, do you think that’s going to turn any other people that are watching you towards your ideology?
That will surely save them all!
you don’t get it do you? You aren’t even vegan and you think you know how to do it all. You are so selfish and self absorbed, their lives aren’t real to you.
I think I know marketing better than you, yes. Because that’s the industry that I work in. Marketing is all about persuasion, and bluntly, vegans like you do a really shitty job at marketing the idea of being vegan, and a shitty job of persuading people to be vegan. Shame and guilt don’t sell a product or an idea; they cause resentment.
You’re acting like the Westboro Baptist Church; you’re telling everyone that isn’t already in your group how awful they are, and using the most offensive terms you can come up with to do so. Just like the WBC, you’re absolutely convinced that your way is the only morally correct way. But you aren’t actually bringing people to your moral cause; you’re pushing them away. If you want to push people away so that you can feel self-righteous, then sure, keep doing what you’re doing.
…But if you want to persuade people, if you actually want people to change, then maybe look into what actually works.
If you cared about helping veganism you would be vegan /shrug
…And?
Do you want to make it important to me, if I’m not currently motivated to make it important to myself? If you do want to make it important to me, then how are you going to do it? Do you think that calling me the worst slurs that you can come up with is going to make me desire to change, or do you think that it’s going to make me angry and resentful towards you and the cause that you’re trying to champion? What do you think would be the most effective way to change my opinion of vaganism and of vegans, and make me desire to be a vegan?
Allow me to suggest a book that I think you might find to be useful. I’m going to assume that you have good intentions, and that you want to change the world in a way that you believe would be positive. That’s great! This might help you to find a more effective way to do it, so you can reach more people. Are you familiar with concepts of street epistemology? Many of the same concepts apply when you’re trying to persuade people.
If you don’t have any desire to make veganism important to other people, why not?
omg you’re so fucking cringe. You’re so outraged that people you think are wrong and dumb do-gooders wasting time caring about mere things are being rude to you. When all you’ve done is come into a joke community and told them:
that you’re writing pages about how wrong and dumb we are and don’t we know how to be less wrong and dumb?
“the worst slurs” just go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw you self important, society-ruining, self-centred, flint-hearted, black-souled, moron. The world does not cater to you, you are not important.
To be clear, are you saying that you don’t care if anyone else become vegan?
I’m saying that you are one of the people most hostile to veganism and will never be convinced so fawning over you is stupid.
If you wanted vegans to succeed and build a world without cages you would be vegan. you don’t, you want us to fail. you don’t want to be told what you’re doing is wrong and you most certainly don’t want to be forced to avoid animal products by law so… why would anyone spend any time on you?
Do you think that if vegans wanted vegans to succeed they would do more outreach to people that aren’t vegans? Or do you think that everyone should convert on their own?
Let me put it this way: if every single person that you knew that, for instance, played Warhammer 40K was verbally abusive to anyone that didn’t play Warhammer 40K, and gaming stores threw people out that were just curious, how interested would you be in playing Warhammer? How would you feel about the players? Would you have a positive or negative impression of the game, regardless of the merits of the game?
When you are verbally abusive to someone that you perceive to be your enemy, do you think that’s going to turn any other people that are watching you towards your ideology?