• rockSlayer@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      61
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      Race is a useful social construct in the class war. However, harm has been done to people in minority groups, so we cannot ignore it’s impact.

          • Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            17
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            4 months ago

            So are all the deaths of innocent people caused by cops with no punishment and the entire class turning a blind eye or encouraging it.

            • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              14
              ·
              4 months ago

              No punishment‽ Often they get paid leave and sometimes even a funded transfer!

              You monster what more could be done for killing a child holding a candy bar or giving contradicting orders to a man outside his apartment and shooting him w their personal rifle?

              Alright, since you insist we’ll make the taxpayers pay for it, then they’ll have to think about all the people their mistake affected, that’ll teach them a lesson.

            • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              8
              ·
              4 months ago

              Sure, but now you are acting like it is impossible to have innocent cops.

              Maybe the US has a complete fucked up police system, but that isn’t the only place on Earth.

              • jorp@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                7
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                Your perspective is normal and common and you might therefore not question it, but if you want to understand where these people are coming from look into prison abolition, police abolition, and anarchism.

                The idea is that policing itself is not “innocent” or necessary. When you think that way (agree with it or not) the position you’re putting forward sounds to them like “there were good Nazis too not all Nazis are bad” sounds to you

  • lugal@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    55
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    4 months ago

    You can’t separate these. They are all interconnected. That’s why the answer is intersectionalism

  • PugJesus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    26
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    4 months ago

    It’s about class because there are black cops and white arrestees?

    There are numerous problems with policing in this country - some stemming from class, some from race, and some from a cruel intersection of both. Or, usually, even more factors. You can’t just boil everything down to “It’s class” even if class is an important component of many social problems we face.

  • HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    4 months ago

    I get where you’re coming from, but especially in America race is often used as a shorthand for poor, as well as being straight up discriminated against due to literal racism.

    It annoys me that corpos and politicians only focus on the aspects that don’t affect their bottom line. They’re quite happy to have a pride flag or a black square, but never in a million years are they going to engage with socio-economic class.

    It almost feels like a divide and conquer style conspiracy to keep the lower classes fighting amongst themselves

  • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    4 months ago

    I think it’s much more complicated than that. It’s about culture, poverty, the desire for order, the subjective nature of justice, mental health, inequality, tribalism, public safety, addiction, trauma, human nature, power hierarchies, narcissism and sociopathy, fear, mistrust, anger, and so on and so forth.

  • VeganPizza69 Ⓥ@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    edit-2
    4 months ago

    Skin color can function very well as a class marker, like a uniform that can’t be taken off. Think of it as “low-tech” classism. The high tech version is, for example, the one conservatives project about:

    spoiler

    identification microchips embedded in the body.


    Technologies of Race | American Identity and the War on Terror | 2021 Conversationalist Series - YouTube author of https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6434826-toward-a-political-philosophy-of-race