Donald Trump appeared to be the target of an assassination attempt as he spoke during a rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday, law enforcement officials said. The former president, his ear covered in blood, was quickly pulled away by Secret Service agents and his campaign said he was "fine."
I’m not ready to encourage this because anybody can get pissed off for any reason. There is very little that a politician does that makes everybody happy.
Remember: Hitler was not a fictional character. Sometimes, you get Hitler. If you want to wag a finger at the many people who tried to kill Hitler, then by all means, scoff at the idea of anyone ever using violence. Otherwise we have to reason about it.
Ok, a good chunk of people think Biden is corrupt so by your logic they should shoot him too? I hope I don’t have to spell out where this leads and why it’s a terrible idea.
Yes which is why I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes. If we go down the road of extra judicially killing anyone who you think is a terrorist then what kind of society do you think that will lead to?
What kind of a road do you think we’re on right now?
Imagine no more assassination attempts.
Trump wins.
Project 2025 is enacted.
Jews, Hispanics and LGBTQs are rounded up and thrown in concentration camps.
The signs are there. Are you going to still be sitting on a high horse right up until the moment it happens? What then, you turn around and stave off the fourth Reich with whoever’s left?
It’s not even about the moral issue, although I think murdering your political opponents is wrong. Just think it through practically. Killing Trump doesn’t stop project 2025. There’s going to be quite a few names on that list if you want to solve this situation through violence.
You have a process to prevent this from happening right now, the same one that prevented it last time. Ironically this attempt will likely just make things worse assuming there is no retaliatory violence from the other side.
The whole situation is super fucked up either way. I wish you all the best for your country, it seems like it’s going to be pretty bad for a while at least.
I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes too, but look around, that’s not what’s happening.
If the government cannot provide justice, the people will in their own ways.
I fear the path we’re on as a nation and world, and i don’t see an offramp currently. I cope by preparing for instability, not by denying the current situation. We live in interesting times.
I’m not advocating for it specifically because of what you laid out.
But I assume they would want people to act on evidence, whether that’s in a courtroom or vigilante justice. So their logic would say, no they shouldn’t. But yes, that’s what it would lead to.
I’m still not convinced this was a genuine attempt on his life and not a false flag op by crisis actors. Because that’s exactly the sort of nonsense I expect from fascist ilk.
Trump took a bullet to the ear. He was a fraction of an inch away from the thing doing his skull. Nobody is going to intentionally have someone shoot their ear.
4:21 PM PT – A SOURCE WHO HAS SPOKEN WITH A MEMBER OF THE SECRET SERVICE TELL TMZ, TRUMP WAS NOT HIT BY A BULLET. RATHER, A BULLET HIT HIS TELEPROMPTER AND THE GLASS STRUCK HIM BY THE EAR.
kagis
According to CBS, Trump apparently posted that his ear was hit by a bullet, but I suppose that he might also not have known what hit him:
The presumptive Republican nominee said he heard “a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin.” It’s not yet clear whether Trump was hit by a bullet or shrapnel, but blood was strewn across his ear and face as Secret Service agents ushered him offstage.
“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania,” Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social. “Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”
Back when Reagan was shot, he didn’t even think that he’d been shot, was ticked off at the Secret Service guy who threw him into the car, thought that the guy had broken one of his ribs.
Schrank did shoot Roosevelt, but the bullet lodged in Roosevelt’s chest only after hitting both his steel eyeglass case and a 50-page copy of his speech titled “Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual”, which he was carrying in his jacket pocket. As onlookers gasped and screamed, Elbert E. Martin, one of Roosevelt’s secretaries and an ex-football player, was the first to react, leaping at Schrank, wrestling him to the ground and seizing his gun.[8] A. O. Girard, a former Rough Rider and bodyguard of the ex-president, and several policemen were upon Schrank at the same moment. Roosevelt stumbled, but straightened himself, and again raised his hat, with a reassuring smile upon his face. His aide, Harry Cochems, asked Roosevelt if he was hit, and Roosevelt simply said assuredly, “He pinked me, Harry.”[9]
Roosevelt, as an experienced hunter and anatomist, correctly concluded that since he was not coughing blood, the bullet had not reached his lung, and he declined suggestions to go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech with blood seeping into his shirt.[11][12] He spoke for 50 minutes before completing his speech and accepting medical attention. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, “Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot, but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose.”[13][14][15]
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I’m not ready to encourage this because anybody can get pissed off for any reason. There is very little that a politician does that makes everybody happy.
Forget about pleasing everybody. How about having policies that please >50% of people? With no gerrymandering or electoral college
As if “happy” is the metric.
There was a failed coup. You have to have a line.
Remember: Hitler was not a fictional character. Sometimes, you get Hitler. If you want to wag a finger at the many people who tried to kill Hitler, then by all means, scoff at the idea of anyone ever using violence. Otherwise we have to reason about it.
Ok, a good chunk of people think Biden is corrupt so by your logic they should shoot him too? I hope I don’t have to spell out where this leads and why it’s a terrible idea.
You’re aware that Turnip is a literal terrorist, yes?
Yes which is why I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes. If we go down the road of extra judicially killing anyone who you think is a terrorist then what kind of society do you think that will lead to?
What kind of a road do you think we’re on right now?
Imagine no more assassination attempts.
Trump wins.
Project 2025 is enacted.
Jews, Hispanics and LGBTQs are rounded up and thrown in concentration camps.
The signs are there. Are you going to still be sitting on a high horse right up until the moment it happens? What then, you turn around and stave off the fourth Reich with whoever’s left?
Will you be happy then?
It’s not even about the moral issue, although I think murdering your political opponents is wrong. Just think it through practically. Killing Trump doesn’t stop project 2025. There’s going to be quite a few names on that list if you want to solve this situation through violence.
You have a process to prevent this from happening right now, the same one that prevented it last time. Ironically this attempt will likely just make things worse assuming there is no retaliatory violence from the other side.
The whole situation is super fucked up either way. I wish you all the best for your country, it seems like it’s going to be pretty bad for a while at least.
Thank you for giving your response some thought.
I think he should be prosecuted for his crimes too, but look around, that’s not what’s happening.
If the government cannot provide justice, the people will in their own ways.
I fear the path we’re on as a nation and world, and i don’t see an offramp currently. I cope by preparing for instability, not by denying the current situation. We live in interesting times.
I’m not advocating for it specifically because of what you laid out.
But I assume they would want people to act on evidence, whether that’s in a courtroom or vigilante justice. So their logic would say, no they shouldn’t. But yes, that’s what it would lead to.
I’m still not convinced this was a genuine attempt on his life and not a false flag op by crisis actors. Because that’s exactly the sort of nonsense I expect from fascist ilk.
Trump took a bullet to the ear. He was a fraction of an inch away from the thing doing his skull. Nobody is going to intentionally have someone shoot their ear.
Not arguing for or against, but TMZ has reported that he was struck by glass from the teleprompter and not directly shot/grazed: https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-rally-president-election/
Hmm.
kagis
According to CBS, Trump apparently posted that his ear was hit by a bullet, but I suppose that he might also not have known what hit him:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-shots-pierced-injured-ear-rally-pennsylvania/
Back when Reagan was shot, he didn’t even think that he’d been shot, was ticked off at the Secret Service guy who threw him into the car, thought that the guy had broken one of his ribs.
EDIT: Though Teddy Roosevelt knew:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Theodore_Roosevelt
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The special circumstances wing of the heritage foundation needed him to be a hero. His survival is a secondary concern
He did?