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Its horrific to watch left (wing) leaning politicians tripping over themselves wishing trump a speedy recovery and condemning violence in any way, and then see the comments filled with fascists literally telling them that they will kill them for “demonizing the right and causing this to happen.”.
It is terrifying.
“We wish mr.trump a speedy recovery! Violence is never the answer! We hope he is okay! 🥺”
“You caused this by demonizing us and calling us fascists and nazis. We will come for you and kill you.”
“Totally understandable! We are so sorry! 🙏🥺 Please continue your quest for genocide and the elimination of democracy! Again, so sorry! Forgive me! 🙏😭”
IF Trump is the threat to democracy that the dems say, the shooting was a reasonable response. I hate this 'violence is never the answer ’ nonsense. I’ve been taught my entire life that sometimes violence is justified. For example: ww2, American revolutionary war, civil war, wars for independence (thanks Britain), Haitian uprising…
“Violence is never the answer” coming from a country that can’t sustain its economy unless they are in some war. All the time.
Violence is never the answer*
The irony is these politicians have all supported or are directly responsible for state sanctioned murder through the armed forces.
Like you literally have a monopoly on violence and murder, the fuck you saying it’s not okay?
This. I am finding it bizarre how violence by the state is perfectly acceptable but suddenly it becomes unacceptable when a non state actor does exactly the same.
This gets kinda philosophical, but - military action isn’t murder for the same reason arresting a murderer isn’t kidnapping. Motives count for a lot. The whole point of entrusting the state with a monopoly on violence, instead of expecting no violence whatsoever, is that some violence is necessary. Otherwise self-defense would be identical to assault. Schoolchildren can explain why that’s unjust. Even the most granola anarchist will eventually describe dragging someone out of the commune and putting a sandal-print on their ass.
The real problem is with hierarchy-brained conservatives Not Getting It and figuring the police are just a special class of people who are supposed to get away with whatever. To those dingii, prison is kidnapping, but sometimes kidnapping is good somehow. This is why they’re confused when an off-duty cop murders a neighbor over a personal disagreement. They don’t understand the difference between that, and officers suddenly resolving a hostage situation.
The issue right this second is that all systems intended to restrain authority are saying ‘there are no limits, he doesn’t need a reason, he can get away with absolutely anything,’ and we the public are short on ways to say no thank you.
This was the oldest way.
Congress always approves, and regularly surpasses all military budget increase requests. Don’t ever let these people tell you that violence isn’t the answer. They sure seem to understand the power of violence.
Violence against the state will always be more just than violence by the state.
Violence is sometimes the answer. And that’s when fascism comes rearing it’s head because you know for damn sure they’ll use all the violence they can to get their way and they won’t ever stop trying to enact their shitty, dumb ideas that no one likes and every normal human being knows won’t work.
Then the fascists will cry about violence and being civil as if they haven’t been complete shitheads and stoking their own violent rhetoric for the past decade. Electing the worst person possible who constantly lies about everything and won’t take responsibility for his own actions and words. A child rapist, wife beating, wife cheating, daughter fucking moron. And electing him means they’re completely fine with all that stuff which should be a massive fucking red flag to anyone sane.
Hillary was completely right. Republicans are deplorable and they’re only getting worse.
the shooting was a reasonable response
Well, yes, but it was also an ineffective response. The problem isn’t that Trump is the head of the party, it’s the party. Trump isn’t some magic irreplaceable leader, and a recursive solution isn’t sustainable.
PS: (I said “it’s the party”, but that’s not true either. The problem goes further than that; the entire system is rigged)
(Also, to be extra clear, violence is not merely justified but inevitably necessary, but randomly assassinating leaders isn’t a viable strategy)
IF Trump is the threat to democracy that the dems say, the shooting was a reasonable response.
Not really, no.
You’re omitting the part where the implied threat is Trump getting power again. Not him just existing.
Every single Democratic response should have been “Thoughts and prayers! Now watch this drive…” takes golf swing
Anything more is overblown and unwarranted. None of them are responsible for this. The right is responsible for the violence and they don’t give a shit unless it’s happening to them.
It’s the Chamberlain approach to politics. If you need any more Nazi adjacent imagery to use. It’s great the Democrats are willing to compromise and debate. Appeasing fascists however never has a good outcome. And most of them still cannot acknowledge that’s what the GOP has been for nearly the last hundred years.
Sow the wind, reap the cyclone
“Violence is never the answer” comes from the same moderators who will erase you for saying “shut up, racist.”
They are literally too genteel for harsh language.
Remember: Hitler was not a fictional character. Sometimes, you get Hitler. What do you think people should have done, with Adolf literally Hitler? What is the first thing anyone thinks they’d do with a time machine? People - you know there’s a line. Take stock and ask yourself where yours is, before gasping as if this is all bickering about tax rates and school funding. There was a failed coup.
I cannot blame them for not wanting the violence to escalate. But I don’t think it can be avoided.
Can you give an example?
Of a politician wishing Trump a fast recovery.
I don’t like to link Xitter, bad enough I had to give it engagement while Googling this, but if there are such things as the earlier commenter said, I’m sure they’re somewhere below this post by Biden on Twitter
Alright, not going to lie, bidens a fucking tool, again.
I guess though, if his appeal is actually to never Trumpers you have to attempt it, right? Not that I think it’s worth his time.
It’s not like Biden’s the only one, Bernie did it, and so did Obama. And those are just the ones I saw posted on Lemmy.
I may have just found my soulmate.
Sorry, no. If you want people to listen when you talk, say something we won’t forget. Hearing “loyalty means you will be unharmed” is horrific and unforgettable. No one wants the CIA to become the new KGB except far right nuts who grew up afraid of living in that kind of world.
The funny thing is, those should be exactly the people who shouldn’t like the KGB. Yet here we are.
If they did nothing wrong in “Project 2025”, what are they afraid of? Don’t they like free advertisement of their parties agenda so that everyone knows what they are voting for?
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it. (Republicans are here)
And if I did, you deserved it. (Those of us screaming about this shit as loud as we can are trying to prevent this from happening)
LOL Yeah, I’ll scream it from the rooftops until they plan to stop attacking democracy itself. Trump only became a target because of the insidious Project 2025. I won’t be bullied into being silent about this and hopefully reputable news sites won’t be bullied into silence. Too much is riding on his absolute defeat.
People still are.
Fuck this criminal rapist trust fund loser. His Secret service know he’s such a piece trash they let some dumbass kid take a few shots at him.
Never gonna happen ya fat orange liar/rapist/pedophile
Are sunglasses part of their uniform?
Yes but only on the Trump security detail, he likes them looking cool. /s
It took longer than I’d imagined, tbh.
