IF Trump is the threat to democracy that the dems say, the shooting was a reasonable response.
I hate this 'violence is never the answer ’ nonsense. I’ve been taught my entire life that sometimes violence is justified. For example: ww2, American revolutionary war, civil war, wars for independence (thanks Britain), Haitian uprising…
This. I am finding it bizarre how violence by the state is perfectly acceptable but suddenly it becomes unacceptable when a non state actor does exactly the same.
This gets kinda philosophical, but - military action isn’t murder for the same reason arresting a murderer isn’t kidnapping. Motives count for a lot. The whole point of entrusting the state with a monopoly on violence, instead of expecting no violence whatsoever, is that some violence is necessary. Otherwise self-defense would be identical to assault. Schoolchildren can explain why that’s unjust. Even the most granola anarchist will eventually describe dragging someone out of the commune and putting a sandal-print on their ass.
The real problem is with hierarchy-brained conservatives Not Getting It and figuring the police are just a special class of people who are supposed to get away with whatever. To those dingii, prison is kidnapping, but sometimes kidnapping is good somehow. This is why they’re confused when an off-duty cop murders a neighbor over a personal disagreement. They don’t understand the difference between that, and officers suddenly resolving a hostage situation.
The issue right this second is that all systems intended to restrain authority are saying ‘there are no limits, he doesn’t need a reason, he can get away with absolutely anything,’ and we the public are short on ways to say no thank you.
Congress always approves, and regularly surpasses all military budget increase requests. Don’t ever let these people tell you that violence isn’t the answer. They sure seem to understand the power of violence.
Violence against the state will always be more just than violence by the state.
Well, yes, but it was also an ineffective response. The problem isn’t that Trump is the head of the party, it’s the party. Trump isn’t some magic irreplaceable leader, and a recursive solution isn’t sustainable.
PS: (I said “it’s the party”, but that’s not true either. The problem goes further than that; the entire system is rigged)
Violence is sometimes the answer. And that’s when fascism comes rearing it’s head because you know for damn sure they’ll use all the violence they can to get their way and they won’t ever stop trying to enact their shitty, dumb ideas that no one likes and every normal human being knows won’t work.
Then the fascists will cry about violence and being civil as if they haven’t been complete shitheads and stoking their own violent rhetoric for the past decade. Electing the worst person possible who constantly lies about everything and won’t take responsibility for his own actions and words. A child rapist, wife beating, wife cheating, daughter fucking moron. And electing him means they’re completely fine with all that stuff which should be a massive fucking red flag to anyone sane.
Hillary was completely right. Republicans are deplorable and they’re only getting worse.
IF Trump is the threat to democracy that the dems say, the shooting was a reasonable response. I hate this 'violence is never the answer ’ nonsense. I’ve been taught my entire life that sometimes violence is justified. For example: ww2, American revolutionary war, civil war, wars for independence (thanks Britain), Haitian uprising…
“Violence is never the answer” coming from a country that can’t sustain its economy unless they are in some war. All the time.
Violence is never the answer*
The irony is these politicians have all supported or are directly responsible for state sanctioned murder through the armed forces.
Like you literally have a monopoly on violence and murder, the fuck you saying it’s not okay?
This. I am finding it bizarre how violence by the state is perfectly acceptable but suddenly it becomes unacceptable when a non state actor does exactly the same.
This gets kinda philosophical, but - military action isn’t murder for the same reason arresting a murderer isn’t kidnapping. Motives count for a lot. The whole point of entrusting the state with a monopoly on violence, instead of expecting no violence whatsoever, is that some violence is necessary. Otherwise self-defense would be identical to assault. Schoolchildren can explain why that’s unjust. Even the most granola anarchist will eventually describe dragging someone out of the commune and putting a sandal-print on their ass.
The real problem is with hierarchy-brained conservatives Not Getting It and figuring the police are just a special class of people who are supposed to get away with whatever. To those dingii, prison is kidnapping, but sometimes kidnapping is good somehow. This is why they’re confused when an off-duty cop murders a neighbor over a personal disagreement. They don’t understand the difference between that, and officers suddenly resolving a hostage situation.
The issue right this second is that all systems intended to restrain authority are saying ‘there are no limits, he doesn’t need a reason, he can get away with absolutely anything,’ and we the public are short on ways to say no thank you.
This was the oldest way.
Congress always approves, and regularly surpasses all military budget increase requests. Don’t ever let these people tell you that violence isn’t the answer. They sure seem to understand the power of violence.
Violence against the state will always be more just than violence by the state.
Well, yes, but it was also an ineffective response. The problem isn’t that Trump is the head of the party, it’s the party. Trump isn’t some magic irreplaceable leader, and a recursive solution isn’t sustainable.
PS: (I said “it’s the party”, but that’s not true either. The problem goes further than that; the entire system is rigged)
(Also, to be extra clear, violence is not merely justified but inevitably necessary, but randomly assassinating leaders isn’t a viable strategy)
Violence is sometimes the answer. And that’s when fascism comes rearing it’s head because you know for damn sure they’ll use all the violence they can to get their way and they won’t ever stop trying to enact their shitty, dumb ideas that no one likes and every normal human being knows won’t work.
Then the fascists will cry about violence and being civil as if they haven’t been complete shitheads and stoking their own violent rhetoric for the past decade. Electing the worst person possible who constantly lies about everything and won’t take responsibility for his own actions and words. A child rapist, wife beating, wife cheating, daughter fucking moron. And electing him means they’re completely fine with all that stuff which should be a massive fucking red flag to anyone sane.
Hillary was completely right. Republicans are deplorable and they’re only getting worse.
Not really, no.
You’re omitting the part where the implied threat is Trump getting power again. Not him just existing.