• TunaCowboy@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Braindead take, is Biden gonna come to my rescue when some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch?

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      4 months ago

      Sounds like a similar argument to how christofascists justify owning military weapons. It’s very disturbing from a European point of view.

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        4 months ago

        The countries with nukes get permanent seats on the UN Security Council.

        Maybe once the US has been around for a few more centuries it’ll be different. in the meantime, if the crazies are armed you should be too.

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          That’s military not civilians, it seems justified as long as there are authoritarian regimes with imperialist ideas. Completely unrelated to civilians having military weapons. Unless you’re saying civilians should have nukes too.

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          4 months ago

          Seems Ukrainian stopped it pretty well without having civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty.

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            Not true at all. Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.

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              Ukraine was handing out AKs like candy to any citizen willing to fight for several days before the invasion.

              regardless of whether this statement is true or not, it would be because they were expecting and preparing themselves for military invasion.

              also there was armed conflict already in progress before start of the “3 day special operation”.

              Not true at all

              so completely true after all… 😆

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                No, you said Ukraine fought Russia back without arming their civilian populace, then tried to walk it back by saying they were expecting an invasion. Yeah, no kidding. But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.

                Yes, it is absolutely true that Ukraine fought Russia by having ordinary citizens fighting back with military weapons.

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                  then tried to walk it back

                  i couldn’t have tried to walk anything back for two reasons:

                  1. i am not the person you originally replied to.

                  and

                  1. the two statements are not contradictory, so there isn’t “taking anything back”.

                  But the fact of the matter is that they did exactly that. They handed out full auto rifles and held bomb making classes for the public. Ordinary people fought back, and a rifle behind every bush was indeed critical to pushing Russia back.

                  that is how it works. you are a civilian, until you are given weapons and task to do, such as fight invading armed forces.

                  how long you were on a army’s payroll before is just splitting hair. different para-military and guerilla forces are part of the armed conflicts all over the world.

                  and from the context of this discussion it is pretty clear that “civilians carrying military weapons outside of military duty” refers to some fucking meal team six redneck from some confederate state who only ever saw a war in television and carries his assault rifle to walmart to protect himself against people laughing at his small dick, not people fighting in actual war.

                  so thanks for playing darling, better luck next time.

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                    No, they were given assault rifles, while not being inducted into the military. That makes them civilians in every sense of the word, and not in the military. Civilians have always fought in wars. That doesn’t make them part of the military.

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              4 months ago

              Because they were expecting a foreign military invasion, it still is military duty.

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                Nope. A civilian fighting in a war does not make them part of the military. It makes them a civilian fighting in a war.

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        If you think arming yourself because there are organized fascists in the country is a similar argument to fascists wanting guns to do fascism you’re a fascist and nothing less.

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          Ah, didn’t know you would consider most of EU and the developed world to be fascist, thanks for the insult.

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        Soon to be “our”. And not just in America, unfortunately.

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            I don’t think you know what the world is like outside your gun nut bubble.

            Then you should probably be a little less judgy about what folks think they need to do to defend themselves within that bubble.

            Since you aren’t from the US, you may not be aware of Project 2025, but “some christofascist militia has me on my knees in front of a ditch” is a plausible eventual outcome for many over here if Trump gets in again.

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            Gun nut? I’m not replying regarding guns, but the rise of right wing nationalism

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          I’m with you until the last part, I’ve tasted it, and I wouldn’t wish it on DJT himself. I understand the emotion, but there’s a better way homie

        • 🐍🩶🐢@lemmy.world
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          Hey, I appreciate you at least. At my old job they had a big office in Monterrey, and they were some of the most hard working teams I had the pleasure to work with. I absolutely lost my shit if anyone treated them any differently and I hated how the company ran that division. Working with those teams is the only thing I miss.

          The fact that they always had to get permission for any time off from the team leads, were scrutinized for every cent, and often not even given the tools they needed for their job, all in the name of “saving” money, was absolute bullshit. There really were some ridiculous double standards. We never denied time off and purchased what you needed. We knew how shitty the system was and did what we could.

          So, one shitty American to an awesome Mexican, thank you. For every cook, every maid, field slave, factory worker, engineer, installer, and human from your country that just wants to exist somewhere safe, feed their family, and have a roof over your head, thank you.

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          4 months ago

          do you plan to resolve any of your problems, real or perceived, with ar15?