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Chinese company bytedance tries to fragilise western democracies episode 1937392
Chinesecompanybytedancetries to fragilisewesterndemocracies episode 1937392Logically the number should be higher than the previous comments (just sayin’).
No no, this is a parallel show running right after the one before.
American company meta tries to fragilise western democracies and personal freedoms episode 1937392
You know two things can be true, right?
Of course and they are. My point is people hate in tiktok all the time because it’s Chinese and because they harvest data while ignoring the fact Facebook/Instagram snapchat etc are all doing the same stuff and they don’t get met with a ban.
Because one is domestic and one is not. It’s pretty simple to understand. Geopolitics is still a thing.
One is domestic. Who stills sells that data to China 😂
They should, and the EU should logically ban both if they’re unwilling to moderate the hate-speech and lies that infest their platforms.
Exactly I completely agree. But it’s an obvious move to fill the pockets of politicians because they own stocks in Meta and meta has been lobbying against tiktok for years.
I assure you I have hated Facebook long before TikTok
It’s not China actively manipulating things. It’s the algorithm that was getting gamed by the right wing. It’s not like the Cambridge Analytica scandal where Facebook was working directly with companies that were trying to get Trump elected. It’s more like the pipeline on YouTube, where it’s just algorithms funneling people into what’s popular ends up being gamed by conservative people. In the US, Tik Tok was known for helping the “woke left”, so obviously it’s not the same big conspiracy controlling both.
The thing is, it can also be used for good in that it can show people things like what’s happening in Palestine without being censored by the US, like other US controlled social media has been.
Did anyone actually read the whole article? These comments sorta read like the answer is no.
The researchers say that their findings prove no active collaboration between TikTok and far-right parties like the AfD but that the platform’s structure gives bad actors an opportunity to flourish. “TikTok’s built-in features such as the ‘Others Searched For’ suggestions provides a poorly moderated space where the far-right, especially the AfD, is able to take advantage,” Miazia Schüler, a researcher with AI Forensics, tells WIRED.
A better headline might have been “TikTok algorithm gamed by far-right AfD party in Germany”, but I doubt that would drive as many clicks.
For more info, check out this article: Germany’s AfD on TikTok: The political battle for the youth
It doesn’t matter if it is intentional or not, only the result matters: TikTok gave them boost in the visibility. Whether it was “an algorithm” or any other aspect of the company is irrelevant.
Also knowing how scummy these social media companies are and how they operate inside, there could be some internal memo to the moderators to let the AfD reign free (happened with Twitter and Libs of Tiktok).
I wouldn’t just lump all “social media” companies together.
In this example an important difference is that Twitter is a porn site run by fascists.
That LoTT stuff was happening under the previous ownership of Twitter too, and most higher ups do instruct their moderation team to not curb far-right extremism at the same rate.
Ideas spread between humans. On systems designed to facilitate communications between people, these ideas will likewise spread. Did AfD exploit TikTok’s algorithm or is right wing populism seeing a large growth worldwide?
When the printing press come out and certain news agencies starting “Yellow Journalism” were they exploiting that system of communication for profit?
Did JFK and Nixon exploit TV for their own political purposes?
I believe wholeheartedly that every social media algorithm should be open source and transparent so the public can analyze what funny business is going on under the hood.
But is it any different from how TV channels pick what shows to play or what ads to run? Which articles get printed and the choice of words for a newspaper?
I think people are quick to jump on TikTok because of some unusual socially acceptable jingoism but I don’t see how at its core is fundamentally different from other forms of media, let alone other popular social media platforms.
It definitely matters. There’s a huge difference between promoting nazis and writing an algorithm that’s gamed by nazis.
This headline is designed to mislead people by erasing that difference. And the motives of people who have been attacking tiktok are generally trash.
But being so big and influential as these platforms are, they should not have the option of “oops, sorry, didn’t think about that”. (I am aware I’m being idealistic)
We’ll have to agree to disagree. I prefer nuance to oversimplification.
2004: The Internet will lead to a utopian society without gatekeepers, without censorship, where we get our information from each other and primary sources, not media companies!
2024: The Internet is based on algorithmic attention. Those who control the algorithms control what parts of the immeasurably large pile of data will get attention and which not. Yet they are protected by the same intermediary liability laws as if they were traditional web forums, blog hosters, wikis with no personalized algorithm (for which those laws are very good and necessary).
https://lemmy.world/comment/11235801
Stop using this to push your agenda about censorship and whatever. Censorship has never lead to anything good. Read the history books.
Did you reply to the wrong comment? Where did I defend censorship?
They are confusing censorship with manipulation. The algorithm is working.
To be fair, the comment mentioned censorship but not manipulation.
I’m a bit confused where you made out it was about manipulation when it was really about the rage algorithms.
But obviously the commenter misread the comment completely and thought OP was advocating for censorship when in reality it was his description of Internet utopia.
The children will defend tiktok with their lives, crying about how it doesn’t matter non-allied foreign powers can manipulate the algos and narratives.
I don’t see this as a China problem. It’s a lack of regulations and oversight problem. Allied foreign powers (or one specific power to be precise) push far right via social media onto Europe as well.
He doesn’t see that specific allied power interfering with European politics because he is from the US.
It’s both.
The companies who do this shit absolutely need to be regulated way more aggressively.
TikTok (ByteDance), being a Chinese company based in the PRC, is compelled to operate in partnership with the CCP by law, which gives the CCP an insane degree of visibility and control into their systems. I would be absolutely unsurprised to find that the CCP is compelling them to tweak their algorithms and push specific content to specific audiences, in addition to the data gathering they’re surely engaged in. Source: I work for an oncology biotech, and we halted our Chinese efforts because there was apparently no legal way to square the circle with regard to data privacy/HIPAA considerations.
I’m neither a child nor defending tiktok but it doesn’t mater who manipulates it. No country," allied" or otherwise, should interfere in the democratic process of another country.
The same happened with the Finnish equivalent of the AfD, the Finns Party. Under 25’s are now more conservative than Millennials or iirc even Gen X which is pretty fucking wild
In my experience Tiktok isn’t pushing it, YouTube shorts however very much is. For me at least
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They push whoever uses more bots and pay better advertisement.
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Terrible headline.
god i can’t imagine getting politics on tiktok i thank goddess every day i’m well in the confines of booktok, piratetok, hazbintok, and cattok.
They maybe the only major party who talk what youth might want. Most other party almost ignore youth.
But then AFD basically reviving the “Hitlerjugend” (hitler youth), so that is that.
what youth might want
A pure aryan skull shape?
Oohhhhh noooooooooo The Youth aren’t getting what they Waaaaaant! Politics is bad!
Ooooh the Huge Manatee!!
That is such a bullshit point. “The youth” doesn’t want one homogeneous thing. The youth is just as diverse in opinions as other cohorts, maybe even more so. It is also more likely to be on more radikal Sides of the political spectrum.
Also, is this another example of “90% of the people who voted AfD were men,” and then opposite them you’ll have the far left getting 90% women?
Not in this specific age group. Overall men are overrepresented, not by 90% but they are, but less so in younger people
Yes, they do not want one thing. But that is what they appeal to.
Talking to the emotion of teen, completely contradicting themself, just to get some popularity point. I think this is called popularism, but not sure.
Also afd is extremely radical, so that fit.
While I guess that’s true and it’s often surprising that the AfD is polling that well in the younger cohorts let’s not overstate their success. There are also a lot of people in that cohort very vehemently disagreeing with the AfD.
Not saying they successful. They just seem like only party that actually try to talk to teen on their level. Still complete bullshit though.
I hope other party start taking teen more seriously.
