Love Reddit but tired of what’s happening to it? We check out Lemmy and Kbin, two open-source fediverse alternatives that are growing fast.
I absolutely adore kbin. It gets better every day!
Any app for it yet?
Artemis should enter open beta in a few days.Correction: It is in public beta!
Nice!
Omg cool!!!
Very cool! I installed it but it looks like custom instances are disabled for a bit. I don’t feel like setting up an account on the Artemis instance so I’ll wait. Exciting to see progress though
but it looks like custom instances are disabled for a bit
I think its because the API the app uses isnt officially in the kbin code yet, so only the developers server supports it. Thats another great thing that only the fediverse can offer, spinning up your own server for your own versions.
It’s been available to install as a progressive web app for some time. Other apps are coming.
That’s just a frameless browser window. Not exactly the same.
Every article or thread I read comparing kbin vs lemmy, kbin always comes out on top and yet lemmy has way more users and I just can’t figure out why.
Kbin is about 3 months old whereas Lemmy is about 3 years old. Kbin simply wasn’t ready for growth, and still has a few major feature shortfalls. Lack of API access is a big one.
Head start, probably. Kbin was still in relative early development when the migration hit and couldn’t perform well in those first few days.
Yeah, the reddit refugees who ended up on kbin are the select few who could withstand multiple 404s and barages of Cloudflare.
I say this with affection and gratitude. It was worth it, and I love it here.
And those who were stubborn enough to keep looking at all options despite what could easily feel overwhelming to a non-tech user.
I am not very tech-inclined, so trying to understand the fediverse as a whole felt like very deep water, and lemmy really didn’t do any job at all at explaining what it was I was committing to by choosing an instance when I didn’t even know what instances were and had trouble finding out.
Since Lemmy was and is by far the most mentioned alternative and I found it too anxiety-inducing, it’s mostly stubborn desperation that brought me to kbin. Which says nothing to how much I’m genuinely enjoying it here, to be clear, I was just relieved to have a simple option at that point.
Being made anxious by a new platform isn’t great and I would guess that most people who didn’t like the experience they had with Lemmy didn’t bother clicking other links that would take them to the same fediverse. They’re likely to assume they won’t enjoy that one either, and resign themselves elsewhere.
So kbin naturally got fewer users just by word of mouth, and then the necessary brief isolation didn’t help either when people were still getting comfortable and testing out different accounts. I don’t particularly mind it other than those rare times I’m accidentally excluded, either by a question addressed only to Lemmy or their recent version of r/place disappointingly being incompatible with kbin.
Good point. Kbin feels more intuitive to me.
I was initially put off by the UI of Lemmy that I encountered when I first went to the Lemmy site. I was a little confused as to which instance to join. That’s when I stumbled upon kbin.social and that’s where I landed my new account. Overall I am most comfortable here.
Since joining, I’ve encountered Lemmy posts that take me to their instances proper, and the formatting looked different, more like here just with a different colored background. Overall, Lemmy instances seem okay, I just like it here better.
Maybe it’s the overall familiarity with the instance, calling main topic pages “magazines,” the microblogging option, etc. Lemmy’s resemblance is a little closer to Reddit, so that might account for why people decided to go there instead of a kbin instance.
Because Lemmy is older and already has a lot of established communities. Kbin saw the larger growth rates though (in the context of the recent Reddit drama). Kbin also currently lacks native mobile apps, and a lot of people browse this type of media form their phones.
I wonder if it’s as simple as the name - lemmy is easy to remember and say, and kbin isn’t.
It’s because kbin has a lot of local content and users.
Because they have like 15 mobile apps.
Regarding the articles: tech journalists all use microblogging sites like Mastodon, so for them Kbin’s microblogging integration is a major advantage. Also, IIRC Kbin made it easier to follow certain people, like industry leaders, while Lemmy is more focused on communities.
Personally, I really dislike microblogging, so for me it was a major reason not to use Kbin. I think there may be a large silent group that feels the same way, but I haven’t seen any statistics on this.
A fair-minded article. This sounded off though:
a big attraction of Reddit—that its main page is a kind of greatest hits of an enormous community.
No, r/all was the lowest common denominator, full of karmafarming, ragebait, and reposts. Every time I looked at r/all I regretted it, so I mostly stuck to subreddits.
It wasn’t too bad when you started to filter out some specific subreddits. But I feel since they applied a lot more content moderation to /r/all, causing a lot of potentially interesting things to not even show up there, it’s been kind of garbage for a while now. Something similar can be said about kbins “all” page at the moment too though. I rather wish they’d give the users the tools to tailor their feeds according to their own preferences instead of interfering themselves. “All” should be all, excluding whatever my personal filters & settings get rid of.
Something similar can be said about kbins “all” page at the moment too though. I rather wish they’d give the users the tools to tailor their feeds according to their own preferences instead of interfering themselves. “All” should be all, excluding whatever my personal filters & settings get rid of.
Is it…not that? Am I misunderstanding or mistaken. My experience has been a very “All” experience, I thought, only playing an endless whack-a-mole with porn, sports, and whatever really good sub is sadly dominating the rest of the feed.
What would you mean by tailoring?
There’s maybe 1% porn. If you browse Lemmy on new vs kbin on new you’d see the difference.
