Not in this meme, but in the original. It implies that equality is not a good thing because surely the people calling for it haven’t taken into account that everyone is different and has different needs. It shows equity as being the same situation but tailored for everyone’s needs, and justice as being the same situation but with whatever created the inequality in the first place as having been removed.
My issue is that people don’t use these words in this way, the people calling for equality always want to provide according to peoples needs, and to remove the things causing inequality.
I think it depends a lot on the people using the words. People who don’t believe that the systematized slavery as practiced in the US produced long-lasting generational effects, for example, might say that treating people equally moving forward is best. Under that belief system, everyone starts on ~even footing and gets the same opportunities, so actually it’s less fair to make special cases for folks!
In my view those folks are starting from a deeply flawed premise (and usually one they’ve arrived at in order to justify the worldview they already hold), so their conclusions are worthless. But I think they’d meet the criteria of advocating for equality and against equity, and sincerely mean it. It’s not hypothetical either, I’ve met people like this - depressingly many, in fact.
No-one disagrees with you. I think the point being made is that people who mean equity still call it equality. Until seeing this post I didn’t even know the word equity has this context and this difference to equality and I’m almost 50.
When most common folk say they support equally I would argue they mean the middle panel of this meme where everyone gets to see.
I just don’t agree that most folks mean the middle panel. It really depends who and where you ask. A lot of people have - for example - a big problem with Affirmative Action because it looks like the middle panel - different help given to different people.
I really really hate the original version of this meme. No one uses equality, equity, and justice to mean the things the meme implies >:|
What do you mean no one uses those terms that way?
Not in this meme, but in the original. It implies that equality is not a good thing because surely the people calling for it haven’t taken into account that everyone is different and has different needs. It shows equity as being the same situation but tailored for everyone’s needs, and justice as being the same situation but with whatever created the inequality in the first place as having been removed.
My issue is that people don’t use these words in this way, the people calling for equality always want to provide according to peoples needs, and to remove the things causing inequality.
I hear ya. I feel ya. 👍❤️
I think it depends a lot on the people using the words. People who don’t believe that the systematized slavery as practiced in the US produced long-lasting generational effects, for example, might say that treating people equally moving forward is best. Under that belief system, everyone starts on ~even footing and gets the same opportunities, so actually it’s less fair to make special cases for folks!
In my view those folks are starting from a deeply flawed premise (and usually one they’ve arrived at in order to justify the worldview they already hold), so their conclusions are worthless. But I think they’d meet the criteria of advocating for equality and against equity, and sincerely mean it. It’s not hypothetical either, I’ve met people like this - depressingly many, in fact.
No-one disagrees with you. I think the point being made is that people who mean equity still call it equality. Until seeing this post I didn’t even know the word equity has this context and this difference to equality and I’m almost 50.
When most common folk say they support equally I would argue they mean the middle panel of this meme where everyone gets to see.
I just don’t agree that most folks mean the middle panel. It really depends who and where you ask. A lot of people have - for example - a big problem with Affirmative Action because it looks like the middle panel - different help given to different people.
That’s a good point. What do you think better words to use would be?
Evenness, Equality, Justice