Vice President Kamala Harris’ first public appearance with Tim Walz saw a large crowd in Philadelphia, while her Detroit appearance disappointed anti-war advocates
There will be one of two candidates elected POTUS. Harris or Trump. Which one do you (more) want to be elected to POTUS - Trump or Harris?
That is your decision. Blather on all you want. Hurt Harris all you want. That won’t change reality. You’re going to have to face reality whether you like it or not.
I used to agree that people should vote blue if they are pro-Palestine, because Trump will obviously be worse, but I no longer think that. If democrats can rely on simply being better than republicans to win elections, what motivation do they have to shift to better policies? If americans will elect democrats despite them supporting a genocidal dictator, what motivation do they have to stop supporting that genocidal dictator?
What’s the use of having a vote if politicians don’t have to earn it?
What’s the use of having a vote if politicians don’t have to earn it?
Yes, we need to change the voting system because it’s difficult to get anything even close to what we want with the existing system. However, we have the system we have for this election so your only actual choice for this election is to continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils. What you’re proposing is nihilistic. That’s fine if that is how you feel, but be transparent and say that instead.
I’m not being nihilistic. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a short sighted strategy that results in politicians like Hillary, Biden, and Harris. I’m arguing that withholding your vote until it’s earned is an effective strategy to bring about change.
Before Biden dropped out everyone on this website was repeating this point over and over, “vote for Biden or we get Trump”. The average voter is not going to respond to that argument, and we know this because the polling for dems skyrocketed when Biden dropped out. Look at Walz’s polling compared to Harris. Despite all the right wing fear mongering, people like and respond to a progressive politician. Stop enabling the dems and hold a fire to their feet. Show them that if they want to get elected all they need to do is put forward policies that actually help people.
The Democrat or the Republican is going to be the next POTUS regardless of whatever fantasy you have going on in your head… which of those two will do the least harm to your cause this time around? Absolutely, we need to change the FPTP election system so that we’re not forced into this situation, but it is the situation and you’re going to have to face that reality.
Because I don’t engage with delusional bullshit. Your ‘strategy’ of not voting for Harris won’t change the fact that either the Democrat or the Republican will win and that you’re helping the Republican win. You might as well go piss directly into a fan.
No, I just want you to know that Trump is worse than Harris. Think of it this way… if you knew that Harris was going to rape you and Trump was going to both beat and rape you, then which would you choose? You don’t get to choose if you get raped. Get that stupid fantasy out of your head. That part is going to happen. So… which will it be? Harris or Trump?
I don’t understand what you’re saying. Just days ago the US sent weapons and money to Israel. Within a day Israel used american bombs to kill 93 palestinians while they prayed.
Just off the top of my head, within the past few weeks:
Israel assasinated the Hamas negotiator in the midst of negotions.
An IDF soldiers raped a palestinian prisoner to death and when they were arrested there were literal riots demanding their release.
Why the fuck is the american government supporting a genocidal dictator like Bibi? It’s actually fucking insane. All Biden needs to do is threaten to stop sending weapons and the genocide ends.
And you think Trump isn’t going to cater to Bibi? Voting for Trump won’t fix the problem. Not voting for Harris is the equivalent of voting for Trump. You’re going to get fucked either way… the question is who do you want to do it and which will leave you worse off.
I no longer agree with this argument. Dems told voters to vote for Hillary in 2016 to avoid Trump and look what happened. Stop blaming voters and hold dems responsible for their shitty politics. If they want to win the election they need to earn the votes.
Yes - a whole bunch of people voted for the 3rd party or for Trump because, Oh My Fucking God - It’s a Clinton! We should totally repeat that disaster by withholding votes from the only other person who can possibly win and let Trump get elected again. Brilliant!
Without the US breaking off all relations with Israel and Israel ceasing to exist there will be those Gaza advocates left unconvinced.
Here’s the real question: Do they really think they would be better off with Trump? (Answer: No, they would be much worse off.)
“Shut up or you love trump.”
No. Nice try.
There will be one of two candidates elected POTUS. Harris or Trump. Which one do you (more) want to be elected to POTUS - Trump or Harris?
That is your decision. Blather on all you want. Hurt Harris all you want. That won’t change reality. You’re going to have to face reality whether you like it or not.
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I used to agree that people should vote blue if they are pro-Palestine, because Trump will obviously be worse, but I no longer think that. If democrats can rely on simply being better than republicans to win elections, what motivation do they have to shift to better policies? If americans will elect democrats despite them supporting a genocidal dictator, what motivation do they have to stop supporting that genocidal dictator?
What’s the use of having a vote if politicians don’t have to earn it?
Yes, we need to change the voting system because it’s difficult to get anything even close to what we want with the existing system. However, we have the system we have for this election so your only actual choice for this election is to continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils. What you’re proposing is nihilistic. That’s fine if that is how you feel, but be transparent and say that instead.
I’m not being nihilistic. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a short sighted strategy that results in politicians like Hillary, Biden, and Harris. I’m arguing that withholding your vote until it’s earned is an effective strategy to bring about change.
Before Biden dropped out everyone on this website was repeating this point over and over, “vote for Biden or we get Trump”. The average voter is not going to respond to that argument, and we know this because the polling for dems skyrocketed when Biden dropped out. Look at Walz’s polling compared to Harris. Despite all the right wing fear mongering, people like and respond to a progressive politician. Stop enabling the dems and hold a fire to their feet. Show them that if they want to get elected all they need to do is put forward policies that actually help people.
The Democrat or the Republican is going to be the next POTUS regardless of whatever fantasy you have going on in your head… which of those two will do the least harm to your cause this time around? Absolutely, we need to change the FPTP election system so that we’re not forced into this situation, but it is the situation and you’re going to have to face that reality.
You’re not engaging with what I’m saying in the slightest.
Because I don’t engage with delusional bullshit. Your ‘strategy’ of not voting for Harris won’t change the fact that either the Democrat or the Republican will win and that you’re helping the Republican win. You might as well go piss directly into a fan.
You just want anyone who doesn’t support genocide to shut up until it’s complete.
No, I just want you to know that Trump is worse than Harris. Think of it this way… if you knew that Harris was going to rape you and Trump was going to both beat and rape you, then which would you choose? You don’t get to choose if you get raped. Get that stupid fantasy out of your head. That part is going to happen. So… which will it be? Harris or Trump?
I don’t understand what you’re saying. Just days ago the US sent weapons and money to Israel. Within a day Israel used american bombs to kill 93 palestinians while they prayed.
Just off the top of my head, within the past few weeks: Israel assasinated the Hamas negotiator in the midst of negotions. An IDF soldiers raped a palestinian prisoner to death and when they were arrested there were literal riots demanding their release.
Why the fuck is the american government supporting a genocidal dictator like Bibi? It’s actually fucking insane. All Biden needs to do is threaten to stop sending weapons and the genocide ends.
And you think Trump isn’t going to cater to Bibi? Voting for Trump won’t fix the problem. Not voting for Harris is the equivalent of voting for Trump. You’re going to get fucked either way… the question is who do you want to do it and which will leave you worse off.
I no longer agree with this argument. Dems told voters to vote for Hillary in 2016 to avoid Trump and look what happened. Stop blaming voters and hold dems responsible for their shitty politics. If they want to win the election they need to earn the votes.
Yes - a whole bunch of people voted for the 3rd party or for Trump because, Oh My Fucking God - It’s a Clinton! We should totally repeat that disaster by withholding votes from the only other person who can possibly win and let Trump get elected again. Brilliant!