I’m sure this person was joking, but this kind of thing really is one of the most infuriating parts of getting older… I’m having flashbacks to a conversation I had with someone who thought that Johnny Cash wrote the song Hurt and that Nine Inch Nails were a relatively unknown band who had covered it
The aspect of this that really bugs me is that people never get how revolutionary something was. Like taking your example of music, people listen to songs by The Beatles or Nirvana or David Bowie and think “Their fine, but I don’t know what’s so great about them - 100 other bands sound the same.” But the thing is, at the time, no other bands sounded the same, they were just copied like crazy.
You see it with movies, too. Gone With The Wind, Citizen Kane, Double Indemnity, Blade Runner - all really good movies in their own right, but putting them in the context of the movies of the time shows how influential they were. All highly copied afterwards.
I don’t think the Beatles are bad because many others copied their style, I just think that, besides for a few specific songs, I don’t really like their style.
Oh, that’s fine, music is subjective. I think Jimmy Hendrix was an amazing musician who could make a guitar do anyone he wanted, but I don’t enjoy a lot of what he choose to do with one. My point is issue is that it’s hard for us to understand how influential something was if we weren’t around when it came out. All the cliches started with something that did it first.
I have a 12-year-old stepbrother whose friends like me too so they often tag along when we hang out. I’ve had them say “That’s the guy/thing from Fortnite!” (Or other random games) so many times. I’ve had to explain several times that everything in that game is from other popular games, movies etc. (As far as I know, never played it myself).
It’s fine when it’s some random old meme or viral thing that I wouldn’t expect them to know, I just see that as a chance to show them what it comes from. They’ve become fans of stuff like the peanut butter jelly time song with the dancing banana, crazy frog, Tay Zonday (chocolate rain guy) and more.
But way too many times they’ve said that for things I know that they know what the original characters are from, it’s just that they mainly know those characters from fortnite or whatever so that’s what they think of. I tease them for it, in a playful way of course, but it does get kinda irritating.
I’ve heard there’s a trope called “Seinfeld’s not funny.” It’s named after the idea that a lot of people who watch Seinfeld today think its jokes are overdone or cliche, not realizing that the reason they’re overdone now is because they were popularized by the show.
More generally, it refers to works that are seen as cliche nowadays by people who didn’t grow up with them, but were actually the ones to start the trend in the first place, when it was new and innovative.
I’m sure this person was joking, but this kind of thing really is one of the most infuriating parts of getting older… I’m having flashbacks to a conversation I had with someone who thought that Johnny Cash wrote the song Hurt and that Nine Inch Nails were a relatively unknown band who had covered it
The aspect of this that really bugs me is that people never get how revolutionary something was. Like taking your example of music, people listen to songs by The Beatles or Nirvana or David Bowie and think “Their fine, but I don’t know what’s so great about them - 100 other bands sound the same.” But the thing is, at the time, no other bands sounded the same, they were just copied like crazy.
You see it with movies, too. Gone With The Wind, Citizen Kane, Double Indemnity, Blade Runner - all really good movies in their own right, but putting them in the context of the movies of the time shows how influential they were. All highly copied afterwards.
I don’t think the Beatles are bad because many others copied their style, I just think that, besides for a few specific songs, I don’t really like their style.
Oh, that’s fine, music is subjective. I think Jimmy Hendrix was an amazing musician who could make a guitar do anyone he wanted, but I don’t enjoy a lot of what he choose to do with one. My point is issue is that it’s hard for us to understand how influential something was if we weren’t around when it came out. All the cliches started with something that did it first.
It’s called “shifting baselines.”
I have a 12-year-old stepbrother whose friends like me too so they often tag along when we hang out. I’ve had them say “That’s the guy/thing from Fortnite!” (Or other random games) so many times. I’ve had to explain several times that everything in that game is from other popular games, movies etc. (As far as I know, never played it myself).
It’s fine when it’s some random old meme or viral thing that I wouldn’t expect them to know, I just see that as a chance to show them what it comes from. They’ve become fans of stuff like the peanut butter jelly time song with the dancing banana, crazy frog, Tay Zonday (chocolate rain guy) and more.
But way too many times they’ve said that for things I know that they know what the original characters are from, it’s just that they mainly know those characters from fortnite or whatever so that’s what they think of. I tease them for it, in a playful way of course, but it does get kinda irritating.
Johnny Cash would have been a nobody if it wasn’t for Trent Reznor! (/j)
I’ve heard there’s a trope called “Seinfeld’s not funny.” It’s named after the idea that a lot of people who watch Seinfeld today think its jokes are overdone or cliche, not realizing that the reason they’re overdone now is because they were popularized by the show.
More generally, it refers to works that are seen as cliche nowadays by people who didn’t grow up with them, but were actually the ones to start the trend in the first place, when it was new and innovative.
Flashbacks from way back yesterday? Because there was just a huge thread about that yesterday on Lemmy.
Crazy how dated this discussion is already.
The conversation I had about it was probably 10 years ago lol but it’s nice to know it’s still an ongoing debate
This is the third time I’ve seen exactly this referenced on Lemmy. Is this becoming a thing? I feel like this is becoming a thing.
He killed it in his version, though.