That’s kind of analogous to saying we don’t have a problem with zebras, but with zebra stripes. It’s like that old joke, that the morons behind the wheel give the other 1% of drivers a bad reputation.
But on a serious note, even if we had some foolproof test to weed out the morons, cars are dangerous, loud, polluting, expensive, and anti-social. We have plenty of other reasons to dislike having a society built around them.
Well give me a better way to transport lots of stuff from point A to B.
Guns are dangerous, loud, polluting, expensive and anti-social yet we don’t have fuck guns comm idk why tbh.
Also there are electric cars and trucks.
In my imagined dream land I would like to get around on a horse, it would be fun but we have vastly more efficient machinery now.
You guys need to pull yourself together and stop cieclejerking life away on some most absurd of topics. c/FuckPneumaticDrills when? c/FuckShoppingTrolleys?
That’s not even what cars are used for, as the majority of car trips are under 3 miles, and the average occupancy is 1.2 persons. I think we don’t have c/fuckguns because nobody is forcing us to have and use guns every day for everything.
Okay but it’s just a tool to get from a to b with baggage or get stuff from a to b in a very efficient modern way. It’s kinda insane to protest that and I blame westernoidism and living in too lavish conditions.
Let’s all return to monkey and go on foot with some wagons propelled by slaves muscle power for hundreds miles
When you say “Fuck cars” you can’t really cherry pick some easy case scenarios where they could be easily swapped for something else. You say something general then you have no way to defend your point usually
You would have to change to “Fuck people who use cars stupidly” which can be generalised to “Fuck stupid people”
We can’t cherry-pick scenarios in which cars could be easily replaced by something else? Good lord, why not?! Nobody has a magic wand that we can wave to undo nearly a century of demolishing and building a landscape exclusively for cars. It’s going to take incremental change to undo that, and the wise way to do that is exactly to cherry-pick the easiest scenarios and start there. Best benefits for the effort, and all. Then, as alternatives expand, those alternatives become an option, or even a better way, for more and more people.
Speaking of too-lavish conditions, that exactly describes using a 4,000lb. luxury machine to cart a 185lb. body around from point A to point B, which is located much further away from A than it needs to be, in order to accommodate the operation and storage of those machines. It’s really the opposite of efficient—less than 1% of the energy in gasoline gets used to move the human.
In short, using cars stupidly describes the vast majority of how people use of cars. The reason that it seems reasonable is that everybody else is doing it. Monkey see, monkey do, eh?
Ah, so your issue is with the branding, not the substance of the argument. Fine, cars are not luxury goods, even though most car commercials sell them as such.
My issue is with the people being completely out of it and hating something that replaced horse. Animal labour hello, wanna it back? Fucking westernoids with brain rotten from laziness will find dumbest of things to have a problem with.
Another one is odd misguided yearning for imaginary communism that was long ago wholly deconstructed by scholars who every single one became liberal again
Please discuss points that you disagree with, ask questions, and listen to others. Criticism and disagreement is healthy and welcome in this community but ad hominem attacks on people and petty name-calling are not. It was clear that you were arguing in bad faith. I prefer not to do this, but I decided to ban you for 1 week.
That’s kind of analogous to saying we don’t have a problem with zebras, but with zebra stripes. It’s like that old joke, that the morons behind the wheel give the other 1% of drivers a bad reputation.
But on a serious note, even if we had some foolproof test to weed out the morons, cars are dangerous, loud, polluting, expensive, and anti-social. We have plenty of other reasons to dislike having a society built around them.
Well give me a better way to transport lots of stuff from point A to B.
Guns are dangerous, loud, polluting, expensive and anti-social yet we don’t have fuck guns comm idk why tbh.
Also there are electric cars and trucks.
In my imagined dream land I would like to get around on a horse, it would be fun but we have vastly more efficient machinery now.
You guys need to pull yourself together and stop cieclejerking life away on some most absurd of topics. c/FuckPneumaticDrills when? c/FuckShoppingTrolleys?
Please stop the inflammatory rhetoric and have a discussion in good faith.
What stuff? Where does it have to get to? Why?
That’s not even what cars are used for, as the majority of car trips are under 3 miles, and the average occupancy is 1.2 persons. I think we don’t have c/fuckguns because nobody is forcing us to have and use guns every day for everything.
Okay but it’s just a tool to get from a to b with baggage or get stuff from a to b in a very efficient modern way. It’s kinda insane to protest that and I blame westernoidism and living in too lavish conditions.
Let’s all return to monkey and go on foot with some wagons propelled by slaves muscle power for hundreds miles
When you say “Fuck cars” you can’t really cherry pick some easy case scenarios where they could be easily swapped for something else. You say something general then you have no way to defend your point usually
You would have to change to “Fuck people who use cars stupidly” which can be generalised to “Fuck stupid people”
We can’t cherry-pick scenarios in which cars could be easily replaced by something else? Good lord, why not?! Nobody has a magic wand that we can wave to undo nearly a century of demolishing and building a landscape exclusively for cars. It’s going to take incremental change to undo that, and the wise way to do that is exactly to cherry-pick the easiest scenarios and start there. Best benefits for the effort, and all. Then, as alternatives expand, those alternatives become an option, or even a better way, for more and more people.
Speaking of too-lavish conditions, that exactly describes using a 4,000lb. luxury machine to cart a 185lb. body around from point A to point B, which is located much further away from A than it needs to be, in order to accommodate the operation and storage of those machines. It’s really the opposite of efficient—less than 1% of the energy in gasoline gets used to move the human.
In short, using cars stupidly describes the vast majority of how people use of cars. The reason that it seems reasonable is that everybody else is doing it. Monkey see, monkey do, eh?
You can’t cherry pick because the name of the comm is FuckCars. Not FuckICECarsInCities
That’s the problem with sweeping generalisations. They are undefendable
Again cherry picking to paint convenient target for a broad statement.
Ah, so your issue is with the branding, not the substance of the argument. Fine, cars are not luxury goods, even though most car commercials sell them as such.
My issue is with the people being completely out of it and hating something that replaced horse. Animal labour hello, wanna it back? Fucking westernoids with brain rotten from laziness will find dumbest of things to have a problem with.
Another one is odd misguided yearning for imaginary communism that was long ago wholly deconstructed by scholars who every single one became liberal again
Please discuss points that you disagree with, ask questions, and listen to others. Criticism and disagreement is healthy and welcome in this community but ad hominem attacks on people and petty name-calling are not. It was clear that you were arguing in bad faith. I prefer not to do this, but I decided to ban you for 1 week.