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    3 months ago

    BoTH SideS aRe THe SamE!

    Don’t vote at all until we get the perfect candidate!! Surely sitting on the sidelines will push the Dems to the Left!!

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      3 months ago

      Surely if I beat this straw man hard enough, I will win the argument!

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      3 months ago

      BoTH SideS aRe THe SamE!

      The Romney wing of the Republican Party has huge overlap with the Biden wing of the Democratic Party.

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        Something like 2% of the population thinks that Gaza is a big problem for America.

        43% of the population thinks Donald Trump would be a good President.

        Stop acting like you’re living in a country on the verge of a Socialist revolution.

        Obama barely got the ACA passed when he had a veto proof majority.

        I hate to be the one who has to explain this to you.

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          Something like 2% of the population thinks that Gaza is a big problem for America.

          Not actually true. You’ll see a 3-5% swing in the polls based on how closely Republicans and Democrats are aligned on supporting the Israeli genocide.

          Stop acting like you’re living in a country on the verge of a Socialist revolution.

          When you listen to Trump talk, a big part of his platform is appealing to the (whites only) democratic socialism common to the 50s and 60s. When Kamala panders to her base, she talks about cutting the private cost of health care and education. I’m not sure where you got the idea of a pending Socialist Revolution. But socialist policy is consistently appealing across large majorities of the American voting base.

          Younger people want to enroll in Medicare sooner. Older people love Social Security. Parents clamor for public education. Students flock to public universities and scramble over one another for public educational grants. The whole east coast loves Amtrak, particularly when compared to prospect of being crammed aboard some Boeing To Die sardine can. People generally like having a post office and a garbage collection service.

          Obama barely got the ACA passed when he had a veto proof majority.

          Because the insurance lobbyists in the US Senate worked overtime to kill it. Not because people hated the idea of increased Medicaid enrollment.

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            Nothing you wrote disproves my main point.

            Harris is as good as we’re going to get, and it’s by no means assured that she’ll win.

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              Harris is as good as we’re going to get

              If that doesn’t benefit people in redder states, how will it motivate them to turn out in support?

              “Sorry, fuckwits, should have moved to California if you didn’t want to die of sepsis” isn’t an invigorating national policy.

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                If you go into the Red states and proclaim your candidate is a Socialist you’ll bring in many, many more Red voters. In fact, calling a candidate Socialist is probably a great way to get some of their voters shot.

                So what exactly is your great plan?

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                  calling a candidate Socialist is probably a great way to get some of their voters shot

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

                  Still officially on the books.

                  But this reflects an imbalance of power, rather than popularity. Yes, you can run as a socialist. Yes, you can build up a large movement of enthusiastic participants. Yes, you can march through the streets on your way to the voting booth.

                  And then what happens… Just a little recreational fentanyl followed by lighting my car on fire. Normal stuff. Happens all the time. Or maybe I find a 6-foot python in my car. shrug

                  So what exactly is your great plan?

                  Obviously, just keep voting for the person the TV tells me to vote for and keep my head down until I die of old age.

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                    Obviously, just keep voting for the person the TV tells me to vote for and keep my head down until I die of old age.

                    You remind me of that Ben Franklin quote.

                    Many men die at twenty five, but aren’t buried for another sixty years.