You will care when you have some heart pain, and a $194,000 hospital bill. Which would bankrupt 98% of UCP voters. That’s the part I can’t wrap my head around. You haven’t paid for shit when it comes to health care.
I work with Americans every day. One just went and had a baby and got a $19k hospital bill for the privilege. Copay this and copay that.
I’ve not had health insurance in 8 years. Alberta won’t issue a card if you’ve no fixed address, and I’m a stubborn trucker with a mail box. I’ve sure paid for it though. The tax rates are insane.
So your favorite solution to that isn’t to fix that issue, it’s to privatize healthcare so you need to have private insurance instead? How do you think that will go, Mr I don’t have a fixed address? Why do you want to make sure more people have to deal with the same issue you’ve got?
Eh… So… About that first bit… I’ve got bad news for you buddy if you think that privatized healthcare is great and you think that Americans don’t pay way too much for it.
The US government is the one that pays the most per capita for healthcare, what everyone pays in taxes for healthcare is only used to cover about a third of the population, that means the rest also needs to pay for private insurance as well or they’re not covered at all and pay out of pocket when they need to go to the hospital.
Life expectancy, child death, death during labour, look at the stats, the US is worse than some very poor countries that offer healthcare for everyone.
Hell, if you pay taxes in Alberta then I’ve got news for you buddy, you’re paying fuck dick for healthcare. You’re ready to pay for private insurance in the USA instead of paying rent somewhere for a few months to have an address or finding someone that lets you use their address in order to apply for Alberta coverage? All that tells me is that you’re not one that lets logic get in their way!
I already have American insurance. Spend half my time there. I’m not in the habit of lying, it’s a pride thing. If I ever get hurt I’ll just cry to the cbc about it
Look at all these people making thr same tired fallacious arguments like they’ve been trained, bud. I’m not sure they’re even real people. Rag on Americans, bring up Scandinavian happiness, pretend out system works out of misguided patriotism, and ignore how I mentioned Mexico too.
Sure. You know how when you need a dentist you either pay or have private insurance, but because it’s private, you can actually get the care you need in a reasonable time frame? You realize that’s because it’s not a government monopoly? I’m not playing your fucking “source” game when anyone honest can see what’s going on.
For years now my dentist (who runs a private business) can’t get me an appointment every 6 months like recommended because he’s too busy, I had to wait months for a repair, same experience for my girlfriend at another dentist.
Tons of people haven’t been going to the dentist at all because they couldn’t afford it because it’s private, it’s become so much of an issue that the federal government had to launch the public coverage program.
It’s been a huge success, so much so that dentists can’t keep up with the increased demand. Based on what you’re saying the fact that dental care is private should mean that demand wouldn’t have increased when public coverage started, right? Because private care and private insurance is so much better that everyone gets to go whenever they want and everyone can afford it, right?
The only person not arguing in good faith and lying here is you. The proof being that you’re just unable to provide sources to back up your claims but you keep arguing.
Congratulations, under privatized/american style healthcare, you wouldn’t have health insurance, would pay more tax to the government for said lack of healthcare, AND if anything happens, you will have to pay 10x more! WOO, worst of both worlds!
Right, of course that’s your go to. The fact that the tax paid by the average american for healthcare is higher than the Canadian, or that they keep pushing for a single payer is of course a globalist psy-op.
Or, you know, the american health care system sucks unless you are paying huge amounts for insurance…
I forget the exact stat, but something like 67% of bankruptcies in the United States are largely due to medical related debts. Which makes it the leading cause of bankruptcies for US citizens.
Thats on top of the the tax paid, for an average health care expense per capita of $12,555. Canada is at $6,319 per capita, aka half, despite offering universal health care.
Oh ok, so you’re a homeowner in Saskatchewan but you’re complaining that you can’t get insurance in a province you don’t reside in? And you own a house after moving out of another province but you don’t live in it? And I guess you didn’t think that it might be a good idea to get coverage from the province where you own a house since it will work everywhere in Canada anyway… I nstead your thought process was that it would be at good idea to pay for both public healthcare through your Canadian taxes AND private coverage in the USA? I get that right?
Sounds to me like someone has been lying a lot to try and prove their point! How about building your opinions on facts for a change? Because right now either you’re building a big pile of lies or you’re the kind of person that doesn’t let logic get in their way!
I’m not discussing my finances with you to any great detail, or reading that mess. I own a home I don’t reside in, in another province, and that is a recent development as opposed to working in Alberta as a trucker 7 years with no health card.
So… You were living in Vancouver until 6 years ago but have been uninsured for 8 years but have started working as a trucker in Alberta 7 years ago and you now own a house in Saskatchewan but you don’t live in it but you brag about owning it while also saying in other comments that you want to move to the USA…
So you could be covered under BC health until 6 years ago because you lived in BC (but decided to not be covered two years prior) and you own a house in Saskatchewan since not too long ago so you could be insured in that province but decide not to be for some reason…
Man, I’m not a detective but it sure does sound like you just got caught in a bunch of lies right there!
Oh ok, so you just decided to give up on any occasion to be publically insured and instead decided it would be a great idea to pay for US private insurance instead on a 65k/year trucker salary…
That actually explains a lot about this whole conversation.
You will care when you have some heart pain, and a $194,000 hospital bill. Which would bankrupt 98% of UCP voters. That’s the part I can’t wrap my head around. You haven’t paid for shit when it comes to health care.
I work with Americans every day. One just went and had a baby and got a $19k hospital bill for the privilege. Copay this and copay that.
Careful what you wish for.
I’ve not had health insurance in 8 years. Alberta won’t issue a card if you’ve no fixed address, and I’m a stubborn trucker with a mail box. I’ve sure paid for it though. The tax rates are insane.
So your favorite solution to that isn’t to fix that issue, it’s to privatize healthcare so you need to have private insurance instead? How do you think that will go, Mr I don’t have a fixed address? Why do you want to make sure more people have to deal with the same issue you’ve got?
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Eh… So… About that first bit… I’ve got bad news for you buddy if you think that privatized healthcare is great and you think that Americans don’t pay way too much for it.
The US government is the one that pays the most per capita for healthcare, what everyone pays in taxes for healthcare is only used to cover about a third of the population, that means the rest also needs to pay for private insurance as well or they’re not covered at all and pay out of pocket when they need to go to the hospital.
Life expectancy, child death, death during labour, look at the stats, the US is worse than some very poor countries that offer healthcare for everyone.
Hell, if you pay taxes in Alberta then I’ve got news for you buddy, you’re paying fuck dick for healthcare. You’re ready to pay for private insurance in the USA instead of paying rent somewhere for a few months to have an address or finding someone that lets you use their address in order to apply for Alberta coverage? All that tells me is that you’re not one that lets logic get in their way!
I already have American insurance. Spend half my time there. I’m not in the habit of lying, it’s a pride thing. If I ever get hurt I’ll just cry to the cbc about it
“I’m not in the habit of lying” he lied.
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Aww, your true colours are showing.
Yah your ‘not’ brainwashed. Sure their bud.
Look at all these people making thr same tired fallacious arguments like they’ve been trained, bud. I’m not sure they’re even real people. Rag on Americans, bring up Scandinavian happiness, pretend out system works out of misguided patriotism, and ignore how I mentioned Mexico too.
So, start making arguments that are based in fact that refute what they are saying. I see a lot of comments by you but nothing of substance.
Sources buddy, show us we’re wrong with sources.
Sure. You know how when you need a dentist you either pay or have private insurance, but because it’s private, you can actually get the care you need in a reasonable time frame? You realize that’s because it’s not a government monopoly? I’m not playing your fucking “source” game when anyone honest can see what’s going on.
No source, no facts
For years now my dentist (who runs a private business) can’t get me an appointment every 6 months like recommended because he’s too busy, I had to wait months for a repair, same experience for my girlfriend at another dentist.
Tons of people haven’t been going to the dentist at all because they couldn’t afford it because it’s private, it’s become so much of an issue that the federal government had to launch the public coverage program.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/231106/dq231106a-eng.htm
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/how-often-should-you-go-to-the-dentist-survey-says-many-canadians-aren-t-going-enough-1.6633890
https://www.healthcoalition.ca/more-than-just-a-plan-it-is-a-lifeline-says-denturist-on-the-canadian-dental-care-plan/
It’s been a huge success, so much so that dentists can’t keep up with the increased demand. Based on what you’re saying the fact that dental care is private should mean that demand wouldn’t have increased when public coverage started, right? Because private care and private insurance is so much better that everyone gets to go whenever they want and everyone can afford it, right?
The only person not arguing in good faith and lying here is you. The proof being that you’re just unable to provide sources to back up your claims but you keep arguing.
Congratulations, under privatized/american style healthcare, you wouldn’t have health insurance, would pay more tax to the government for said lack of healthcare, AND if anything happens, you will have to pay 10x more! WOO, worst of both worlds!
You don’t know how anything works, but don’t let that stop you.
Right, of course that’s your go to. The fact that the tax paid by the average american for healthcare is higher than the Canadian, or that they keep pushing for a single payer is of course a globalist psy-op.
Or, you know, the american health care system sucks unless you are paying huge amounts for insurance…
I forget the exact stat, but something like 67% of bankruptcies in the United States are largely due to medical related debts. Which makes it the leading cause of bankruptcies for US citizens.
It’s not. You’re just making shit up.
Oof, I knew you were ignorant… but…
“Individuals enrolled in group health plans paid an average annual premium of $8,435 in 2023 (about $703 per month), according to data from independent health and medical research firm KFF. For families, the total annual premium averaged at $23,968 — or about $1,997 per month.”
Thats on top of the the tax paid, for an average health care expense per capita of $12,555. Canada is at $6,319 per capita, aka half, despite offering universal health care.
IE: in the USA you pay more, get less.
A mail box? Funny, your house is paid for
https://lemmy.ca/comment/8288715
Yeah I bought a house in Saskatchewan. I dont live in it. You sure got me though.
Oh ok, so you’re a homeowner in Saskatchewan but you’re complaining that you can’t get insurance in a province you don’t reside in? And you own a house after moving out of another province but you don’t live in it? And I guess you didn’t think that it might be a good idea to get coverage from the province where you own a house since it will work everywhere in Canada anyway… I nstead your thought process was that it would be at good idea to pay for both public healthcare through your Canadian taxes AND private coverage in the USA? I get that right?
Sounds to me like someone has been lying a lot to try and prove their point! How about building your opinions on facts for a change? Because right now either you’re building a big pile of lies or you’re the kind of person that doesn’t let logic get in their way!
I’m not discussing my finances with you to any great detail, or reading that mess. I own a home I don’t reside in, in another province, and that is a recent development as opposed to working in Alberta as a trucker 7 years with no health card.
So… You were living in Vancouver until 6 years ago but have been uninsured for 8 years but have started working as a trucker in Alberta 7 years ago and you now own a house in Saskatchewan but you don’t live in it but you brag about owning it while also saying in other comments that you want to move to the USA…
So you could be covered under BC health until 6 years ago because you lived in BC (but decided to not be covered two years prior) and you own a house in Saskatchewan since not too long ago so you could be insured in that province but decide not to be for some reason…
Man, I’m not a detective but it sure does sound like you just got caught in a bunch of lies right there!
That’s pretty much what happened give or take rounding dates to the nearest year. Late 2017 isn’t 6 years ago anymore, nearly 8 now.
Oh ok, so you just decided to give up on any occasion to be publically insured and instead decided it would be a great idea to pay for US private insurance instead on a 65k/year trucker salary…
That actually explains a lot about this whole conversation.