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“So what’s wrong with me, doc?”
“Says here you strongly oppose injustice, have an increased range of empathy, and are completely immune to mind control tricks.”
“Isn’t that good?”
“Afraid not.”
believing yourself immune to suggestion is one of the greatest vulnerabilities against suggestion tbh
Nah, I won’t believe you.
Rule no. 1: People are stupid. A person will believe a lie because they want it to be true, or they fear it might be true. A person’s head if full of information, most of it is wrong. People are also convinced that they are perfectly able to determine truth from lies, which makes them all the easier to fool.
Bonus points if you get the reference without googling it.
Lol, I’m the autistic where I just believe other people. Shockingly, it’s worked out poorly.
You’re normal in that respect:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/aur.1962
In fact, the idea that autistic individuals are immune to propaganda is, itself, media propaganda. The study that those articles report on was a single study that found that autistic individuals show less of a framing effect on their own preferences. It’s much more easily explained by autistic individuals having strong, internal preferences for their own likes/dislikes than it is by autistic individuals being immune to propaganda.
Speaking from experience here, too.
i believe we are much morer prone to complöetely change an opinion when someone presents facts and arguments, like, logical ones.
Is that because the information is truly factual and logical, or because the aesthetics of fact and logic are satisfying? E.g. (Early, before true craziness manifested) Jordan Peterson came across as an arbiter of truth to many simply because he spoke well, held status and had confidence in his convictions
Edit: [continued…] despite providing no real evidence to back up many of his claims. Andrew Huberman is another example that springs to mind.
but to clarify: i am easely manipulated by lies and people pretending to be nice, i was convinced countless times to do something to my detriment and their profit.
i had a small buisness selling car parts. i couldnt do that anymore, since people were talking me into all kinds of bad deals. i only realized hours or days later.
i always look for contradicting things. i choose the one with as few contradictions as possible, thats the best model. as far as evicence goes:
I dont really know the earth is round, because i can’t experience that. it could also be flat. i am not an astronaut, or a pilot, or a shipfaring guy.
so one guy says to me the earth is round. one guy says to me the earth is flat. How do i choose in what to believe?
I choose the modell that reopresants best what i see in real life with my own eyes, and thas has the best fitting internal logik, with so few contradictions as possible.
so I rule out flat earth, because i have seen ships descent behind the horizon at sea, with my own eys. so that makles sense to me.
as far as jordan peterson goes: he is a phylosopher and psyschiatrist. of course you think he is full of shit when the things he says hurt your ego. that is totally subjective.
andrew huberman: you would be shocked how many nutrionists, keto guys, vegan guys and so on are right on the surface, but wrong in the details. you would be shocked if you would know about the quality of certain studies.
for example: the reason alcohol gives you energy is that you partly metabolize it into acetate acid, and your cell can take that and make energy from it. its impossible to get fat from alcohol.
yet nobody mentions that. so calories in calories out doesnt work for pure alcohol, since what your cells cant burn, you breath out again.
so thats biochemistry, biochemistry doesnt lie.
if somebody says something wrong about acetate metaqbolism, i rule the guy out, because it contradicts biochemistry.
so thats my method.
Same. If it wasn’t true, why would they say it?
I am… Not smart lol.
i am really naive. i hate that. i made many mistakes by trusting people.
it makes you shitty in flirting and smalltalk, at least thats what i experience
x: your eyes are as bright as a star
my dumbass: actually, did you know that the sun outputs 3.83×1026 W? that’s so much that the energy output by the Sun in just one hour could power the Earth for about 56.1 trillion years at the current global consumption rate. Or, if you …blah blah blah something something Kardashev scale…
yeaaaa not my proudest move
I had women coming up to me, smooching with me a couple of times, i didnt even knew them, saw them for the first time. and I still was like well, thats as far as it goes, must be joke or something, dosn’t she know i am like, really unthrusworthy and shit?
(in a social setting of course)
one time, a women send me a message that she just moved, and if i wanted to proof sleep her bed?
I took that as a joke, that person must not be very good at it, as if people talked like that, what does she think of me, why is she pulling my leg? better write something funny but nonccommital back"
one time, in art class, there was this naked model we drew. when we were done we had a little party, because it was christmas, she sat on my lap the whole time and complemented me on my drwaing and stuff. I mean, it was kinda drunk and raunchy?
never saw her again.
one time, i was in this train to wacken, it was coincidence, i had nothing to do with wacken. but those guys started drinking in the ICE bar, and well, it was a real party. some cute chick comes up to me, doesnt talk to me, just kisses me on the mouth and stuff. never even talked to her.
i shit you not, i have a couple more of these stories.
the funny part? i had one girlfriend in life. I had a really hard time trusting her, you know, understanding her. i cant be with people i dont know.
On the other hand, if you average the Sun’s energy generation across its entire volume and adjust for that volume’s mass, an equivalent mass of human body tissue generates more heat energy.
So your eyes may not have the raw lumen output of an entire star; but, pound for pound, your eyes would outshine a similarly massive piece of one.
i kinda do no get it, can you explain it in some other way?
like, 100 kilos of sun would generate less heat energy than 100 kilos of me?
Yes. On average.
If you specifically take 100 kilos of core material from the Sun, then it would be a no contest victory for the Sun. But the Sun is very, very big, and when it comes to producing energy, most of it is doing absolutely nothing. So it brings the average energy production per kilo way, way down.
thanks, i think i got it! average matter of the sun has less energy density or IR radiation or what have you, than average matter of me. thannks! that will come in händi as trivia.
Resisting peer pressure is easy if your peers never try to pressure you. Or hang out with you. Or talk to you.
tips forehead
Gotta have peers to get peer pressured.
Adults: people would try to pressure you into drugs.
Adults with drugs after being rejected: “I got you! no problem”
Adults with alcohol after being rejected: “what do you mean you don’t like alcohol?? Just try it! You’re going to like it!!”
i had to quit a whole friend group, because i quit drinking when i switchted to ritalin,
after a while they were saying that ritalin changed my personality to the worse kind. I realized they didnt like it when I said “no” and wouldnt budge. Or when i spoke my mind, or when I just left a situation when i had enough. or when i didnt want to go to bars anymore, or sitting aroung and listening to their drunk talk.
before ritalin, i was drunk almost everytime we hung out together.
i think the last time i drank a glas of whine was last chrismas; and before that, i has one year without alcohol.
i drank like 10 liters of beer each week for more then ten years. sometimes less.
as someone who just doesn’t like the taste of alcohol, being the only sober guy in a friend group where everyone’s drunk sucks so much
Does it suck enough to learn how to mix good tasting cocktails?
hell nah I’m just gonna sip on some water and patiently wait for the moment where I’m suddenly treated as their savior for still being able to drive
the screaming matches were pretty fun, i loved them. but what i hated is the logic break down, the repeating of things, and the fact that i cant put a word in sometimes, i say half a sentence and get judged immediatly, without the other side letting me explain what i have in mind. and the loud music was so draining, i could only take it one hour or so.
Same with ads. Never could figure out why they did anything.
Ads are subliminal and you are kidding yourself if you think you are immune.
Edit - except for perfume ads, those are pointless.
Ads can only do so much subliminally. The biggest thing is getting you to know about the brand for when you want to buy that type of product. You’re more primed to think of their products first. Second is triggering insecurities that make you want to buy that type of product more. In that case, you can train to resist by paying specific attention to the ad and what it’s trying to do.
At this point, ads do more to make me dislike a product than make me want to use it. If it’s something I found early and actually like, I know that its days are numbered and it’ll go downhill thanks to corporate rot. If it’s something I know nothing about, I want to avoid it and look for alternatives if I ever need that type of product. If it’s something that preys on the vulnerable or is morally repugnant or is just flat out annoying, it only reinvigorates my hatred for capitalism.
Look at this sexy woman. Look at this cool refreshing air conditioner she’s next to. Isn’t she sexy? Isn’t it nice stepping in from the heat to stand next to an air conditioner? So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you’re feeling
Look at this sexy woman. So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you’re feeling
Any ace person: So, complete apathy at best?
it must suck that air conditioners don’t work on ace people
Well it does stand for air conditioning excepted
It actually blows
or put a normal priced item next t a really expensive one.
the normal priced item will look cheaper, so you buy it.
thats why they present luxury cars on private jets conventions.
I am not immune they are distracting my thoughts and stirring my deep hate for them.
Ads are assault. Adblock is accessibility.
Ethical advertisements can exist, its super rare.
With all the information that Google knows about us and everything, they could in theory be doing a great job suggesting things that would be great for us - for example showing me a product or service I don’t know exists which would help me with some problem I may be having.
Google pretends that it’s what they do - showing the best possible ads for us. But what they do is the complete opposite, they find the best possible users to show their ads to. They have a responsibility to the ad, not to the user.
its more isidious than that; they show you the ad that makes the most money for them. regardless if you need it or not.
The ads are subliminally manipulating the sort function of my spreadsheet that calculates the unit cost of every product in a category.
You’re kidding yourself if you think I’m kidding myself.
You’re kidding, I’m kidding myself.
It’s kidding all the way down.
No kidding?
No kidding.
Kids…
Yes kidding!
Arguably for a lot of stuff that folk encounter that some count as “subliminal” just means they don’t understand the language and employ of framing devices, juxtaposition, abstraction or rhetoric. We need to start teaching that shit as basic literacy in schools because once you understand them it’s not “subliminal” anymore as it becomes readable text.
The simple presence of an ad in your peripheral vision definitely counts as properly subliminal though and it’s still a menace.
I can remember exactly one ad from when i was like 7. If i see an ad i just zone out. And everything i buy is because i researched it, it’s the only thing of that type in store, or i tested it and decided i liked it.
I don’t think the majority of people are as vulnerable to ads as you think
You don’t need remember ads. You see ads, then you notice the item in the store. Remembering the ad is not the point. the point of the ad is to keep you reminded that the item/service exists. You are not immune. Sorry.
I have yet to buy a thing that i randomly saw in store. I go to the store cause i need something and i leave with what i needed, and only that.
So, in your entire life – You’ve never seen an ad for a product / service / event and said, oh - that’s interesting - I’ll check that out.
You’ve never seen a movie trailer and been like “oh cool - that movie looks fun, I’ll go see that.”
You’ve never gotten an email to remind you that something you’ve been interested in finally became available so you can finally pick it up?
Shit. You are an advertisement. You can’t tell me you’ve never worn a piece of clothing that didn’t have a label on it or seen someone else cool hat / shirt / jacket with a logo and then check that out.
Advertising is not just “getting a item at the store that you didnt intend to buy” - advertising is a long con. Advertising is everywhere, To think that advertising has never swayed you in any way is ignorant.
- No i haven’t
- No i haven’t
- No i haven’t
- No im not, i always buy clothes, from whatever is the first brand i happend to grab, that also suits me. In fact i absolutely despise brand logos on anything i own. Hell i cover up my phones logo with a popsocket or similar.
To think everyone is as vulnerable to ads as some random dude says, or as a handful of studies with like 1000 people show is the ignorant thing here. Not everyone is the same. And if i think about all the comments i have seen under videos that talked about exactly that, then ads seem to even have a negative effect when presented to younger generations, gen z for example.
Also you can just avoid ads. Click no on every optional setting on websites etc., use an ad-blocker, Sponsorblock for YouTube. When outside pit your headphones in/on and listen to your favourite music, and don’t look anywhere you are not going. Ads are only everywhere if you let them be
Dude, I’m sorry, but you are wrong. Everything is advertising. Even IF you somehow manage to avoid ads, others don’t. They form opinions around ads and that will filter through to you in one way or another.
Shitty and annoying ads ABSOLUTELY have the opposite effect. They make you avoid things when they are bad - you know what thats called? Bad advertising. You will never know when you are hit by a good advertisement. All the online research you do for your stuff - some of the people that wrote the things you researched may have been swayed by advertisements, then that tickles down to you.
If you know what Nike, Adidas, Gap, McDonalds, Walmart is - then advertising works. Brand recognition is advertising.
Simple as that.
But look, I will drop this convo, I promise im not trying to troll or annoy you. I just wanted to point out advertising is so much deeper than just you seeing an ad and immediately buying it. Its been around for centuries and it wouldnt still be happening if it wasnt effective.
edit: BTW - You said Pop-socket. Not phone stand. Pop-socket is a brand. You are advertising for them. I’m just saying. Advertising works. :)
🤓 They dont! Or rather they do much less than they used to, and the effect of all the product hype has been deteriorating since anthromorphic cigarette boxes have been letting you know a particular brand exists and you may like it during the half-hour show intermission in the fifties.
We’re not completely sure why, because it’s complicated. For one thing, while were blasting adults with ads, we’re also desensitizing the next generation from the same intensity, so to influence them we have to up the hype, and guess what that does to their kids.
Another factor is competition. Even ads for non-competing products are still competing for your time, your memory, your attention, so while Coke and Coors are trying to tell you what to drink you’re still thinking about the hot woman in the Toyota ad. PS Sex sells, but mostly it sells sex. People remember the hottie twerking on screen, not that Raytheon sponsored her. If we’re thinking about banging the green M&M, we’re not thinking of her as tasty chocolate candy.
And then there’s the matter that ads now try to convince you you need this product rather than simply informing you this brand exists, and you might like it, on the assumption you’re already on the market for a new hair shampoo. And the advertising sector is saturated with false products, e.g. shampoos that allegedly (but don’t actually) make you irresistibly sexy to hottie passersby, rather than merely clean your hair. So we trust modern household products the way we trust politicians.
Advertisers have been losing the war for your attention since the fifties, which [each] successive more expensive ad campaign being less effective than the last, all the while further enshittifying the medium space they occupy.
Curiously, bad decisions by marketers are compounded by bad decisions by upper management, who insist on unethically sourcing their materials and labor to make shoddy products and then blame their marketing team when their business model tanks.
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If we’re thinking about banging the green M&M, we’re not thinking of her as tasty chocolate candy.
Hey, speak for yourself.
You can’t be peer pressured if you don’t have any friends temple tap
For a time i had a black document suitcase as a school bag because i was cool. (somehow no one thought that was cool)
I DESPERATLY wanted to be like the other kids, so pressure wasn’t even a factor.
