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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari
Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.
99% chance that it’s either a complete fabrication or a distortion of the truth when an IDF spokesperson is the ONLY source. Let’s see if anyone even remotely reliable confirms the story.
While I agree with you that independent verification is mandatory in situations like this, I also believe that once you get that verification, your position will not change. You have only given yourself a 1% chance of changing your stance, which means, in my opinion, that the only refuge you are offering yourself is conspiracism if and when you are proven wrong.
I suspect the conspiracy will be “Israel killed the hostages themselves.”
False.
No. I have given a very generous 1% chance of something said ONLY by an IDF spokesperson being the unvarnished truth. The concurrence of other sources would of course dramatically increase that chance, especially if any of them are themselves very reliable.
That’s a very weird way to guess wrong.
Wouldn’t be the first time or the last. That’s not a conspiracy theory at this point, though, just what’s most likely given the past behavior of all of the factions involved 🤷
I’m reserving final judgment until people of greater reliability than the likes of Donald Trump, Baghdad Bob, or Alex Jones chime in, though.
You don’t see how automatically trusting the captors until proven otherwise is already evidence of how much you have embraced conspiricism?
I’m not saying that I trust Hamas. For the record, I don’t.
I’m just saying that I don’t trust the IDF either, infamous as they are for being caught lying constantly.
Right, but you know hamas believes jews should be wiped from this earth, and you know this current war began because of specific steps Hamas chose to take to attempt to make that goal a reality, you know the mistreatment they have displayed towards the hostages.
So for you to say that there is a 99% chance that Hamas is innocent of these killings, that’s a specific choice you are making for conspiricism.
That’s irrelevant. They’re not in a position where doing so is possible, and killing their only leverage against a technologically and numerically superior force is not in their interest.
The Israeli people thinking that they did, on the other hand, is VERY much in the interest of the IDF.
Nope. Atrocious and barbaric beyond description as it was, October 7th was a political act, not a foolhardy attempt to kill all Jewish people.
Just because they’re despicable terrorists doesn’t mean that Hamas are stupid enough to think that the total eradication of all Israeli Jews, let alone all Jews worldwide, is something that is in any way possible.
And it’s not a war. It’s one of the biggest, most powerful, and most technologically advanced militaries in the history of humanity eradicating or displacing an entire people, using a tiny minority (that is nowhere near as much a threat as they pretend) as a pretense.
Talking about Hamas or Israel? Because the only significant differences with regards to hostages is that Israel has hundreds if not thousands as many that they abuse just as horribly as Hamas does theirs.
Again ignoring the qualifier, so I’m gonna make it a little more obvious:
As long as an IDF spokesperson is the ONLY source
Nope, that’s a statement of how unreliable the IDF and their spokespeople have proven themselves to be. Repeatedly leaving out that part, though? THAT’S a specific choice.
Islam prophet died and the only possession he had was a shield owned by his jew neighbour.
Any person of faith, including hamas, dont believe in “Jewish genocide” it goes against the religion.
No, Hamas, beliefs and actions are not irrelevant to the situation we are currently in. That is foolish.
Describing terrorists committing a terrorist act as a “political” action is incredibly forgiving of the behavior of terrorists.
An elected government invading and attacking a different country is an act of war, regardless of whether the nation they attacked is militarily superior. Hamas made a decision to go to war, and claiming they didn’t is factually wrong.
I don’t personally feel any need to justify the behavior of any right wing religious fundamentalist organization against their hostages. The fact that we are in a situation where two organizations fitting that description are behaving badly and you have chosen a side says something about you that it doesn’t me.
Palestine is not a country. They’re basically part of Israel. Israel controls their money, imports, exports, travel into and out of it, they’re water spaces, air spaces, energy, trash, water, etc. It’s not a war if a military starts killing huge amounts of civilians, which so what’s happening here. It’s a genocide. It was terrorism to get hostages to extract concessions on Israel’s horrible policies towards Palestine, where they’ve been slowly eradicating people and taking territory for decades without any sign of help from the outside world in slowing their slow rolling ethnic cleansing.
If you automatically believe the IDF after their long history of blatant lies, then you’ve take a side whether you believe yourself superior and neutral, or not.
While this is all very entertaining, the very definition of terrorism is using terror to achieve political or ideological goals. Otherwise it’s just mass murder, genocide, or whatever.
Watching you go above and beyond the things you’re accusing somebody else of has been entertaining.
We get it, you’re down with genocide and whatever justifies it. Feel like just saying that would have been easier. 🤷♂️
So you trust none of the firsthand sources, but somehow still think you’re enlightened to what’s going on?
I trust journalists that have proven themselves reliable, even as that puts them directly in the crosshairs of the genocidal apartheid regime.
Never claimed any such thing. Please stow your strawman.
What, Al Jazeera and Guardian? Ha.
Both have proven track record of genocidal tendencies. Both are proven terrorists even if only one of them is a designated terrorist organisation.
So taking any statement made by any of them unverified with a boat load of salt is not only prudent it is necessary.
There are way more far fetched conspiracies out there.
So your evidence of the conspiracy that Israel’s policy is to murder hostages themselves to frame Hamas is that 9 months ago an Israeli unit killed 3 hostages while not realizing they were hostages?
That’s pretty weak justification to align yourself on the side of Hamas here. I think you know that though.
It’s more about their inability to respect the most recognizable sign of surrender. The problem is you think any criticism of the IDF is alignment with Hamas. These are people being murdered, pull your head out of your ass.
…I’m not a supporter of the IDF.
Di you want to understand the argument being made before choosing to argue against it?
After reading through your post history, all I can say is “Bullshit.”
You shpuld have no trouble finding a single positive word against the IDF then.