• vga@sopuli.xyz
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    4 months ago

    Yes, exactly. Healthcare via taxation can be viewed as a some sort of public insurance. The problem there is that the level of resources needed has to be decided manually instead of letting the markets handle it “magically”.

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      4 months ago

      Healthcare via taxation can be viewed as a some sort of public insurance

      But, why would any sane person view it that way? Do you think of the fire department as “some sort of public insurance”? Or is it just the people who come put out fires?

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        4 months ago

        Insurance is generally for contingencies that are very rare but ruinously expensive. The average cost per person is low, but the cost to the one it happens to is extreme, like a reverse lottery. So it makes sense for a large group of people to pay a little bit of money each month, to pay for the cost to the one. This is how both health and fire insurance work. (Health care is about more than that but that’s a different and less straight-forward story.) So, anyway, that’s why sane people view it that way.

        Historically, the problem with private firefighters was that you had a business that made money when there were major fires. That’s a bad incentive. You get similar bad incentives in health care, too, which is one reason why coverage for some interventions may be denied. Another thing about fires is that they are contagious. They threaten the entire neighborhood. That’s why you have, for example, the CDC in the US. Controlling contagious diseases is not left to private providers.

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          Controlling contagious diseases is not left to private providers.

          But, by the nature of the US, it still has to involve them. Because of the system, you can’t get shots into people’s arms without involving private hospitals, private insurance companies, etc. Which, during the pandemic resulted in some insurance companies still trying to charge co-pays for vaccinations, or billing people who received them. Maybe it was just paperwork mix-ups but it happened. And, since many people are used to the private system, they assumed that they would get charged or couldn’t get vaccinated because they lacked insurance, so they didn’t get vaccinated.

          Imagine if a city had all kinds of private fire departments but it had a Center for Major Fires that could issue orders if a fire was declared to be “major”. Until that point, firefighters could refuse to put out a fire at a business that hadn’t subscribed to their firefighting services. So, they could sit there and watch a building burn down, only using their hoses on the stray embers that flew into houses nearby which had subscribed. Then, one day, there’s a fire at an abandoned warehouse (no fire coverage, naturally) and it starts spreading to nearby buildings, some of which are also abandoned. The Center for Major Fires examines the situation and declares that this is a Major Fire, and that all the fire companies need to help put it out, regardless of whether it affects their pre-paid customers. But, unfortunately communicating that with the various fire companies is hard because the fire has already started to spread. Some companies are willing to do what’s required, but first they want to ensure that their paid-up customers are safe, then they’ll get to the abandoned warehouses… Other fire companies are hard to contact because they’re already too busy fighting part of this Major Fire, so any hope of a coordinated response is slim.

          There are just some jobs that should be done by government. Firefighting and healthcare are both in that category.

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        4 months ago

        Do you think of the fire department as “some sort of public insurance”?

        Yes, it can be viewed as such! Things can be viewed from many angles. Another one that’re not called insurance but kinda are, are flat prices for things whose price actually varies. Like electricity prices: they’re often based on a spot price in an power exchange, so if you as a consumer choose to get a flat price, you’re essentially paying a premium.

        Insurance is a pretty great industry and good fit for markets if only there’s healthy competition. If there’s no fertile ground for competition, it’s one signal that perhaps the public sector should handle that one.