With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.

“With membership at new lows and no electoral wins to their name, it’s time for the Greens to ditch the malignant narcissist who’s presided over its decline.”

  • geekwithsoul@lemm.eeOPEnglish
    413·
    2 months ago

    So no thoughts on perennial sorta kinda candidate Stein making the Green Party a laughingstock then? Or the fact that with her campaign only surviving with the help of GOP operatives and Russian propaganda campaigns, she’s actually making it harder to take third party candidates seriously at any level of government?

    • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
      334·
      2 months ago

      No thoughts on the democratic party completely capitulating to a reactionary right wing framework on Israel, immigration, and foreign policy? No thoughts on the Biden/Harris administration actively funding a genocide for the past year? No thoughts on Kamala promising to continue allowing Israel to “defend itself”? Blue maga is literally celebrating the endorsement of the architect of the invasion of Iraq. Did the Democratic establishment forget to at least pretend to be an opposition party?

      • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
        192·
        2 months ago

        this post is about Stein and the Green party, nobody asked for your literal whataboutism. Shows just how effective geekwithsoul’s comment is that you couldn’t muster a single word in response and instead turned to “b-b-b-but democrats!!!”

        That last sentence with ‘blue maga’ says everything about what you support, no surprise all you have are whatabouts.

        how many Ds have eaten with Putin personally btw?

        • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
          29·
          2 months ago

          Mentioning that the current admin has been actively funding a genocide for a year and that both major parties promise to continue to do so in 2025, isn’t a whataboutism. Sorry to criticize your genocidal queen, I know stopping to consider that brown Muslims are humans too can be very taxing on most Americans.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        13·
        2 months ago

        Jill Stein does not know how many Representatives are in the US House of Representatives.

        Anyone care to defend that? That the kind of President you want?

        • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
          211·
          2 months ago

          I’m voting for Claudia de la Cruz, not that it matters. neither Claudia, Cornel West, or Jill Stein are actively funding a genocide.

            • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
              14·
              2 months ago

              Oh I give a shit about the working class of Ukraine, thanks for asking. It’s just that Biden/Harris aren’t bypassing Congress multiple times to send $60 billion of my tax dollars to Russia to further their imperialism. But yeah you definitely don’t care about Palestinians, you’ve made that clear. I’m willing to bet you don’t care for the people of Syria, or Libya, or Afghanistan, or Iraq either. I wonder what the common denominator is there. Maybe you just absolutely despise brown Muslims on the opposite end of US imperial conquest.

              • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
                3·
                2 months ago

                So how come you’ve got a line in the sand that you won’t support any candidate who supports Palestinian genocide, but that doesn’t apply to Ukrainian genocide?

                By your own logic you should be rejecting the Greens too.

                • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  I think I’ve said this like 3 times now but I’m not voting for green party, I’m voting for Claudia de la Cruz. Again not that it matters. I’m anti imperialist whether it’s genocide by Israel, Russia, or the US.

                  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    By not voting Democrat, you’re enabling imperialism by all of the above. You’re actively working against your own professed goals.

              • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
                3·
                2 months ago

                You’re carrying water for people who say Russia had no choice but to invade and that Russia isn’t to blame for starting the war.

                These candidates are excusing Russia’s actions and not assigning proper culpability to the genocidal, imperial Putin regime. And you’re going to vote for them?

                • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  I’m voting for Claudia de la Cruz as mentioned previously. But even if the green party secures 5 percent of the vote, they are eligible for federal funding which is a step away from 2 conservative parties that ignore worsening material conditions for working class Americans.

                  • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
                    1·
                    2 months ago

                    Third parties have gotten over 5% before. How’d that go for them?

                    It’s clear that the current third party strategy of advertising via presidential runs is an abject failure.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            5·
            2 months ago

            neither Claudia, Cornel West, or Jill Stein are actively funding a genocide.

            Yes, because none of these people work in the government so no fucking shit.

            You’re essentially voting for Donald Trump, just remember that. You can try to rationalize it, but you cannot argue with reality.

            If you actually gave a single shit about the Palestinian people (that you suddenly started caring about on an election year, despite the conditions in Gaza being this way for literal decades), then you will do anything to make sure that Donald Trump does not get elected.

            If you want a viable third party, you don’t wait until 8 months before an election every 4 years to steal votes from the Democratic party. Until we do away with first past the post and/or the Electoral College, voting for anyone other than one of the two major parties is akin to not voting at all (or in many cases, an active detriment to the Democratic party, which is why it’s always such a no-brainer for Putin. Maximum social discord, minimum cost).

            I know that you know this. I just want you to remember it when Trump wins and by February Palestine literally ceases to exist. If you want to see this genocide kicked into high gear all you gotta do is: vote for Donald Trump, vote for a third party, or not vote at all… And then you too can feel like you’re part of the action!

            • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
              13·
              2 months ago

              I’ve been heavily anti-Israel since the murder of Rouzan al-Najjar in 2018. I’ve worked on multiple local campaigns for both independent and Democratic candidates alike. But reading through your rant it definitely sounds like you’re projecting a lot of your own personal insecurities. I’m sorry that exercising my freedom to vote for a candidate that aligns with my values of not commiting genocide upsets you. I hope you can look past your own shortcomings as a human being and learn to forgive yourself for being ok with your tax dollars slaughtering an entire indigenous population.

              • ochi_chernye@startrek.website
                41·
                2 months ago

                But your proposed course of action clearly doesn’t align with your stated goal, for reasons that have already been pointed out to you. I don’t see you engaging with that argument. This leads me to believe that you don’t actually care about what happens to Palestinians; you just want to feel like you’re taking a moral stand. People that actually give a shit tend to care about what the consequences of their actions will be.

                • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
                  11·
                  2 months ago

                  My proposed course of action aligns with the Palestinian Americans in my community. We speak out at our city council every month and hold rallies near our house reps office every week. But I guess I just don’t care as much as someone voting in favor of the slaughter of their families, someone like you.

                  • ochi_chernye@startrek.website
                    11·
                    2 months ago

                    Whether that’s true or not, it doesn’t change the math. The world’s full of people advocating against their own interests. You still haven’t addressed the argument.

      • pyre@lemmy.world
        31·
        2 months ago

        dude she can’t unequivocally say Putin is a war criminal. save me the capitulation bullshit.

        • Ion@lemmy.myserv.one
          1·
          2 months ago

          We’re going to have the most lethal military because 70 percent of your tax dollars should go to the department of defense rather than addressing the tens of thousands of Americans dying from lack of access to healthcare, lack of public transit that would provide accessibility to underserved communities, particularly those of color, or funding education so that teachers don’t need to live out of their cars or have fundraisers to pay for their curriculum.

          We will continue to ensure Israel can defend itself from children throwing rocks and homemade rockets against a brutal apartheid regime that controls every aspect of Palestinian life.

          We’re going to focus on border security because immigrants are clearly the problem as stated initially by the GOP, rather than counter a racist narrative using a false premise with the fact that undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a substantially lower rate than American citizens and also greatly contribute to our economy.

          Yeah that’s literally just conservative policy.

          • pyre@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 months ago

            i don’t know what you’re arguing for. stein is not it. she’s not genuine. she’s done nothing to make the green party even remotely relevant for a decade. she just shows up every four years to collect money. she’s a grifter.

              • pyre@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 months ago

                when did you mention that? this whole thread was about stein and you kept going on tangents about military and shit.

                also wow that brings the total de la Cruz votes to … i guess 1? there will be a margin of error so it should be somewhere between -99 and 101. congrats on your vote for the republican party.

    • zarkanian
      235·
      2 months ago

      What convinced you that the Green Party is a laughingstock and that Stein is responsible?

      Or the fact that with her campaign only surviving with the help of GOP operatives and Russian propaganda campaigns, she’s actually making it harder to take third party candidates seriously at any level of government?

      Which GOP donors and Russian operatives are you referring to? Donations are a matter of public record. Which ones are from the GOP and Russia?