• crashfrog@sopuli.xyz
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    A famine in 1845 that was caused by…

    Monocrop agriculture, like I said. How else do you lose all your food to a single crop disease?

    Israel is occupying a country, controls everything there and commits a genocide.

    But… they aren’t? The Irish population declined by 1.5 million people in two years. The population of Arab Palestinians has monotonically increased since the formation of the State of Israel in 1948.

    in this case what happened is that the irish potato famine got normalized over time

    Can you explain what else you think is supposed to happen to history as it recedes into the past?

    Are we supposed to feel infinitely bad about the infinite past’s infinite array of horrors? Forever? Doesn’t the past ever get to just be the past? I don’t think you have to be “neurotypical” to understand why human beings have recency bias.

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      Ok since you are either ignorant or quite dense:

      The Irish were forced into monocrop agriculture by their Imperial Overlords, as colonial subjects extracting resources and establishing a very fragile and inequitable economic system for the Irish.

      The Famine was greatly exacerbated by capitalist agents of their Imperial Overlords exporting food from Ireland, which could have fed the Irish, but they were paid so little, their buying power could not compete with higher prices offered by exporting.

      Also, Israel is currently committing a genocide inasmuch as they have militarily invaded an area, bombed it into and its inhabitants into oblivion, killing far, far more civilian casualties than combatant, with multiple instances of designating safe areas for civilians to flee to and then bombing the fuck out of them weeks later.

      Oh, and they’re also causing a famine by not allowing food in, even drone striking and shooting up UN food convoys.

      Finally, some forms of racism become unacceptable in the current day because attention and scorn are brought by people who make the atrocities of the past known.

      You’re probably not gonna be able to get away with polite company hearing you refer to a black person as a n##g##r or an arab as a sand n##g##r or an asian person as a ching chong, even though you absolutely could not too many decades ago, and the reason that is the case is that social movements brought historical wrongs into present attention.

      That it is still acceptable to joke about irish potatoes is something that seems strange and hypocritical to an autistic person who is far more likely to see the arbitrary nature of social norms, is far more likely to try to establish consistent, inviolable rules, than to an allistic person to whom the rules of socialization are basically processed and determined subconsciously, without need for an analytic approach.

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        Also, Israel is currently committing a genocide inasmuch as they have militarily invaded an area, bombed it into and its inhabitants into oblivion, killing far, far more civilian casualties than combatant, with multiple instances of designating safe areas for civilians to flee to and then bombing the fuck out of them weeks later.

        But that’s not genocide. That’s warfare, in an urban environment, prosecuted (as military observers all agree) with the maximum possible degree of protection for the civilian population. That’s what it looks like!

        Israelis in Gaza continue to suffer, bleed, and die on behalf of Gazans, as a result of taking greater risks than they need to in order to avoid extreme civilian harm.

        Oh, and they’re also causing a famine by not allowing food in

        But that’s false. Not only are they allowing food in, they’ve increased food aid since Oct 11, the start of the operation in Gaza. 3500 calories per person per day - that’s more calories per person than in Luxembourg.

        How could it be the case that Israel is both feeding Palestinians and “genociding” them?

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          That’s warfare, in an urban environment, prosecuted (as military observers all agree) with the maximum possible degree of protection for the civilian population

          Other than the IPCC and ICJ and basically the entire world and even members of the Biden admin so disgusted by whats going on that they resigned in protest, sure!

          We all know the maximally safe thing to do is to carpet bomb the designated safe zone civillians were instructed to flee to.

          We all know the best way to get your hostages back is to blow up buildings they might be in with a fucking tank cannon at point blank, because the hannibal doctrine of killing hostages that are too difficult to extract is more expedient.

          How could it be the case that Israel is both feeding Palestinians and “genociding” them?

          It isn’t. You believe a lie. Everyone other than Israel themselves has been claiming and reporting on Israel is saying they are allowing food in when they actually are not.

          Anyway, you’re very obviously an idiot, troll, hasbarah clown, or some combination of those.

          It’s been fun, toodles.

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            Other than the IPCC and ICJ and basically the entire world and even members of the Biden admin so disgusted by whats going on that they resigned in protest, sure!

            When would they have previously seen social media from intense urban warfare? Soldiers in the second Iraq war didn’t have phones.

            But simply being shocked by the reality of warfare is not evidence of war crimes. It’s evidence that war is shocking.

            We all know the best way to get your hostages back is to blow up buildings they might be in with a fucking tank cannon at point blank, because the hannibal doctrine of killing hostages that are too difficult to extract is more expedient

            That’s not an IDF doctrine, though. The Hannibal doctrine is merely to prevent, if possible, the enemies of Israel from taking hostages. How does that differ from any other nation? The US doesn’t allow hostage-taking, either. Neither do they where you live.

            Everyone_ other than Israel themselves has been claiming and reporting on Israel is _saying_ they are allowing food in when they _actually are not._

            No they haven’t. How can it be a lie? Everyone can see the food going in, the warehouses filling up, the chow lines distributing it to Gazans.