Note the lack of drinking water and sanitary facilities with the crowd that size and become a wizard that predicts the future now past.
People weren’t happy in the 90s they were angry and the music reflected that
Well I got up feeling soo down…
We got down with the sickness.
The hits from Limp Biscuit stopped coming and the world fell into an ethical depression.
The skinny people at the concert from 25 years ago are now are now 45+ years old.
That’s what happened.
Hey! I’m only 44!
I want at that concert but I was doing a lot more acid, mdma and dancing all weekend.
Not so much these days!
The fact OP is calling these people “skinny” is terrifying
Normal size is now skinny.
It’s normalized in the US to be fat. All the people around are fat too, so they are rarely shaming. You’ll fit right in.
If you’re the only fat one in the group (like when you go to most of Asia) they usually make sure you know - repeatedly - that you’re the fat one. It’s a pretty big incentive to not be that one.
If everyone else is fat too, then why bother (aside from the million health and happiness reasons)
It’s a public heath crisis that’s being completely ignored.
We have an abundance of energy dense processed foods that we use inactive transport to purchase in bulk that we then overconsume and waste vast amounts while plenty of people go hungry in a daily basis.
The result is that we have health systems at breaking point (especially socialised healthcare systems outside the US) with an increasing dependence on pharmaceutical or surgical solutions to deal with the symptoms but never the root cause.
Let’s also just ignore all the food and economic reasons why it’s so much easier to eat better and stay skinnier in other countries and just blame the people
In my area specifically only 32% of the population isn’t considered overweight or obese. It’s very depressing.
That’s all of US. Overweight or obese is nearing 70%.
I beat my primary fat shamer so badly I caused a TBI. Spent a week in jail and some time out of school. Upon my return, no one had a negative thing to say about me, let alone my weight. Since I was no longer stressed worrying about bullies, I started doing more activities, making friends, etc. lost a bunch of weight. No diet change.
Beat the fuck out of bullies.
Congratulations, and I appreciate the fairytale style moral of the story.
Could also be the enshittification of our food and culture including:
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Demonization of “fat” in foods leading to “fat free” foods being considered healthy when fats are actually good and necessary in the diet which leads to over consumption. (Don’t get me started on the sugar and corn lobby)
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Hyper processed food removing micronutrients necessary for our brains to tell us we’re full.
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Hyper processed foods being cheaper than whole foods
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Hyper processed foods being super addictive and unwilling at the same time.
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Food deserts making fast food and convenience store food the only easily accessible food in many areas.
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The lack of knowledge/skills with respect to home cooking and the deemphasis of “home economics” type knowledge in general…
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The lack of free time required to both cook and pass on those skills
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The growing understanding of how perfluorinated materials (PFA, PFOA, PTFE) fuck with our body chemistry including contributing to obesity. Don’t get me started on how much companies like DuPont hid and lied about that stuff (and still are).
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Sedentary lifestyle…
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There’s more but I hope you get the point
Basically what I’m saying is people were fat before “fat shaming” was looked down upon and late stage capitalism is frequently pulling the levers behind the curtain in many areas including this. You’re also talking about “fixing” the outcome instead of preventing the cause which is several orders of magnitude more difficult. The US has abundant wealth but that hasnt specifically translated to better health outcomes. And do you really think middle schoolers have evolved to the point where they don’t bully fat kids? There are very few obese people (both children and adults) out there who don’t feel shitty about how they look regardless of who tells them they should feel that way.
The point of trying to inhibit fat shaming and bullying of all kinds is so people don’t become reclusive and anti-social, pick up bad habits (such as drug addiction and eating disorders), kill themselves, decide to kill others in mass shootings and the like. Also, just don’t be a cunt and make fun of people.
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Ah, so fat shaming was the positive force for good all along
RIP r/fatpeoplehate
Their vitriol was legitimately the motivation I needed to get off my arse and lose ~90lbs and get fit.
ITT we are extremely confidently incorrect
Man I miss when concerts and events weren’t just for rich kids and people with disposable incomes. I remember going to see Metallica, $40 mid tier tickets. I saw AC DC for about the same. Rob zombie with Ozzy Osbourne. I even saw a WrestleMania for like $80 and that was a lot then for great seats.
Now concert tickets for Metallica are running $400-500 mid tier each. Even smaller bands and events are more than what a premium event used to cost. The development League hockey games cost more than the NHL games used to. Working class people have been priced out.
One of my family members paid something like 60 € to see Michael Jackson in the 90s. I still remember how back then, I thought “what an outrageous price tag.”
I paid $25 to listen to Power Trip inside of someone’s house.
It was one of the best and insane concerts I ever went to.
Metallica? I dunno, man. Maybe? Thing is, they, like Pink Floyd, have bucket-list status.
If you’re gonna see them before you die, you’re gonna pay for it. They know they’re established, influential, and huge, and they can basically charge whatever they want.
Still, tho. I’d rather pay $30 to go see The Melvins and get my face melted off by Buzz and his two drummers.
Now concert tickets for Metallica are running $400-500 mid tier each.
😲
And here I thought 80 EUR for GNR was too much.
Let’s be real, GNR aren’t really in their prime…
Neither is Metallica. That’s not how this works, isn’t it? People come because they know the band name, remember good old songs, and so on.
GNR doesn’t have any concerts right now, so I can only use this data: https://www.rateyourseats.com/tickets/guns-n-roses
The average ticket price for all shows was $365
That’s still much more expensive than 80 EUR (which includes taxes).
I suppose you have a point. ACDC just finished a tour and it was also sold out. I just didn’t think GNR were ever that big in the first place but I’m not the target market
I get 15-20 dollar tickets to concerts by bands I love fairly often, personally. It definitely depends a bit what kind of music you’re in to, and probably what part of the country you live in, but cheap concerts are still out there.
Did you notice they mentioned pretty huge bands that bring in tens of thousands of people? Yeah, these groups don’t do shows where the tickets are 15-20$, but what’s fucked up is that they did back in the 90s when they pulled in even bigger crowds. So what has changed for their tickets to be 10x (or more) as expensive as 30 years ago? Ticketmaster.
15-20$ in my area might get you symphony type concerts, but not one of their good ones. I could also pay the cover at a bar that has a live band. The smallest venues near me are still 50+ per ticket.
I could also pay the cover at a bar that has a live band.
I think the disconnect here is to me and the guy you’re replying to, that’s still a show/concert/whatever you wanna call it, but since a band like Julie isn’t as big as Metallica, they play the venues metallica used to play in '84, while Metallica is an arena act now. A concert doesn’t have to be in a theater or arena, that “cover” is the ticket price. Like see this show here at The Middle East downstairs in Cambridge MA, https://www.mideastoffers.com/tm-event/czarface-ocelot/ you’re not just paying $30 to get in, you’re paying $30 for an advanced ticked to see Czarface (who fucking rules btw), $35 day of show.
Unless you mean some shitty cover band nobody knows the name of in a bar nobody wants them in, in that case my mistake, bars around here don’t charge a cover for that they basically use it to beg for customers. I hate it, I wanted to drink with my friends and talk not “SURPRISE! Bad Barenaked ladies and Eve6 covers for 4 hours!”
Pro Tip: A vacation + going to a concert there may be cheaper depending on the band.
Just basic supply/demand… plus a little bit of elasticity and profit max.
Or Ticketmaster monopoly.
Yeah, im the only supplier.
Supply and demand.
I think revenues also shifted from selling music to using cheap music to sell concerts.
You mean pretty much free music.
Actually a good point.
This is fred durst at Woodstock 99. Decidedly everyone there was not happy, and after this set everyone was less happy . Has to do with 90s generation being not happy generally.
There were def fatties back then too. But time has progressed and things have only got worse.
This green text is false
True, when I see a modern concert recording, all I see are sad and sobbing people, hating that they are at a concert
Do you see people behind smartphones they’re holding??
The phone thing is so ridiculous. Stay at home and watch someone else’s video at that point. The compulsion to document everything that happens to yourself is something I just don’t get.
What smartphones are you seeing exactly? This looks like a Limp Bizkit set with some professional photographers right up the front. Nobody had smartphones at the time and even if you pulled one out there you’d have lost it in the pit.
Can confirm. Everyone hate to be in front of Tailor Swift. They all yell at her at one point.
and when she comes out they all scream in pure terror. It must be horrible
I visited the US in 1999.
After I left, everything turned to shit.The peak of our civilization.
^According to Mr. Smith.^
Fuck you, get back over here. How dare you steal our happiness.
Thanks to you. You shouldn’t have left.
Y’all are fat as fuck. Period. But I think I know why… bear with me.
I’ve spent decades watching Americans get fatter and fatter and fatter. I’ve seen people tonight that were unthinkable in the 70s and 80s. From talking to friends and neighbors over the years I’ve gathered this, “Yeah. I’m/he/she/ is a little pudgy, but at least I’m not as fat as him/her!”
You see people worse off than you and breathe a sigh of relief. Well… I look at gravestones and think, “At least I’m not that bad off!”
Keep telling my how bad your joints hurt when you hit 30.
Know someone who cut out fast food for a month and lost 10 pounds like the flip of a switch.
Everyone is overweight. I get called a twig for being 150 5’9 when in reality it’s normal or even a tad too much.
They aren’t concerned you’ve lost too much weight, they are worried about their own self image and what it means that you can actually maintain a healthy weight.
Lol i was fat as fuck 25 years ago
And I had horrific, untreated anxiety and depression. Fun!
Anecdotal
The fat girls were on the ground being raped :(
Don’t romanticize the 90s.
I was there Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago…
High fructose corn syrup
what I’m hearing, here, is that society peaked at the end of the 1990s.
I would say the big turning point would be around 2001.
Two big turning points
Feel like there’s a reason for that, almost like I’m forgetting something…
But they told us we could never forget
… the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is, of course, what this is all about.
Isn’t that a major plot point of Matrix?
Minor.
Just that that was the time was where society peaked.
At a Limp Bizkit concert, possibly
